Who will win the president election?

^Period.
Either way, who ever does end up winning, they're all politicians, and are all equally corrupt, and are more then likely on the same team,
#TeamIlluminati.

 

ron paul should win. will he? i can't say.. i'd love for him to win but its hard to say that he will win when the general public watches news channels more than they watch c-span.

 

Oh yes please! The jobs plan! Save 1.9 million jobs for 570 BILLION dollars! If you know how to do math, Obama is suggested paying over 250k per each job he estimated he will save/create.

The example of the poster above me is good.

Also, check out all these broken promises.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/

Not to mention he is a liar. Lied about being a Christian, lied about a million other things...

 

Lol'd, you're funny bro. Sure, 250k a job for a job that makes 35k a year. You think all those people are only going to work 1 year? They work 10 years apiece, you've made profit. It's long-term thinking, bro, long-term thinking.

Also, you expect him to do EVERYTHING you want? He isn't God, he's a human, and he does his best. Many things have been denied by congress, things he promised that he'd do.

 

Ok considering the government takes home maybe 30% of that..... That is 105K they get back for every 250k they spend on 1 job. I forgot though, liberal math... Carry the 1 differently, add a few 0's.... Oh yes! We've made profit! Keynesian economics is flawed.... Spend money to make money, seriously?

Also, if you want to talk about long-term thinking, don'tttttttttttt even get me started on the tens of trillions of dollars worth of debt we now have in medicare, medicade, and social security (all liberal ideas supported by Obama by the way).

 

All you conservatives care about is money; what about the health of our nation? Without health care and a high unemployment rate, the health of our country as a whole deteriorates. If you conservatives care so much about wasting money (which, in reality, is far less exaggerated on these plans than you seem to think), how about the war that you don't want to pull out of? Trillions are spent on the war each year, yet you want to stay in battle. Hm.

 

Obama hasn't even began in his real campaign yet. Nobody in the Republican field can compete; he's too much of a magician at the podium for any of them to touch.

 

He is an incredible speaker. All of the republican candidates are too erratic.

 

Romney will win the presidency. The republican primary is a waste of time, its been romney vs obama from the getgo.


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Obama loses the centrist vote to romney. Romneys gets the christian vote (despite mormonism) the moderate vote, the new england elite vote etc etc etc. All of the voting blocks that obama stole from mccain (and won him the election), romney will sweep.

 

ron paul hands downnnnn

 

News flash, health care costs MONEY, unemployment rate is a problem because while unemployed, people don't have MONEY.

Of course we care about wasting money! We are over 7 TRILLION dollars in debt to other nations, and over 100 TRILLION dollars in debt to our citizens.

And I see you are speaking to the war... That Obama said we would be out of by now... Hm... Also, National Defense is incredibly important. We are erradicating the terrorists at the source. Ultimately, we are the country we are because of our military prowess. What does military prowess protect? Our freedom. I'd rather spend money on freedom then waste it on socialist scams like medicare (bankrupt), medicade (bankrupt), social security (bankrupt), and the welfare system (bankrupt).

Yes, we need to insure the health of our people; however, nationalizing health care is not the way to do it. Historically, nationalizing anything does not work. Just ask Canada, or any of the European countries who are now suffering the consequences of socialism.

 

You obviously don't keep up on your news... He has been attempting to take out soldiers for months upon months, and the Iraq war ENDED a short time ago and those troops are now home. The war in Afghanistan is still going on, but he's continuing to pull those troops out as well. Are you aware that you're arguing your point without being informed about it?

 

Romney or Obama will win. I would never want to see Ron Paul as President even though he is the only one that actually says what he thinks and would actually do it. From what I know I'm fairly sure he supports massive deregulation of pretty much everything and also from what I've gathered, deregulation got us all into this mess in the first place.

@All you Obama haters... Within a month of Obama being swore in (or winning the election, I can't remember) major republican leaders came out and said that their main objective would be to make Obama a one term president. That has been made plenty clear by them blaming Obama for every little thing while refusing to do their jobs. They blame Obama for creating a massive deficit when he came into office with one and he can't change economic policy, congress has to. They blamed him for having to raise the debt ceiling... Obama had no power to do anything for that. Congress said... We can only borrow this much but you have to pay for this much... The President couldn't do a thing except say... Hey Congress. You say I need to pay for all this but I can't borrow more than this... It just isn't possible... Fix it.. And you know what? In the past it has been raised without batting an eyebrow.

And at those saying he broke his promises... The bush tax cuts expire at the end of the year (or the year afterwards). Unless Congress can override his veto, they are being undone. He can't close Guantanamo because congress made it illegal to use any money to move prisoners to the US...

 

We aren't in 100 trillion dollars of debt. The Iraq war is over. The three entitlement programs need reforming but Obama did not create them and under the current climate fixing them is near impossible. Obama has expressed willingness to increase the retirement age to 67 (up from 65) which would save a shit ton of money but the democrats in general backed away. The simple fact of the matter is with medicare and medicaid, you either fund them or let the old and poor drop dead from perfectly treatable and preventable issues. And social security is only bankrupt because Congress loves "borrowing" from the social security fund to fund other projects instead of letting it be a fund that actually makes money for the taxpayers.

 

Obama probably. I think that considering what Bush did, Obama made a valiant effort to recover, and really if congress didn't exist it would be a much better situation right now IMO

 

I'm glad somebody else has supporting facts, rather than making shit up to make it seem like Obama's not doing his job. It's rather frustrating when Obama haters try to argue their point when they don't know all of the facts, they just know the simplistic answers and never delve deep to actually find out why some things are happening. They just blame Obama.

 

You just reaffirmed my point?

"He's continuing to pull those troops out as well"

I missed the part where they were... you know, out?

 

First off... Social security attempts to socializes the retirement investment business. The Government, no matter what way you spin it, can not do a better job then the current companies do now.

Second off, we are 100Trillion in Debt, actually, many suggest we are much deeper than that.

This article

http://abcnewsradioonline.com/business-news/is-real-us-debt-figure-211t-not-143t.html

Points out that the 14.3Trillion (at the time of the article, in August of 2011) dollar debt doesn't include "things politicians find it inconvenient to call debt, such as the future obligations of the Social Security system."

Also, your talking about these programs like Obama is outside of the Liberal agenda. Obama agrees with the programs, Hell, he fought for programs just like them when he was a lawyer for ACORN.

There is a reason the conservative congress members prohibit many of his policies, because they are smart enough to know that, given the opportunity, Obama would near destroy our nation.

 

Oh, you're just the sterotype of americans.

 

Social security is supposed to be a safety net that forces people to save money so that if they are hurt or when they retire they will not be in dire poverty. It is also not supposed to make it so that people can simply retire without saving any of their own money. You can not live on social security alone. It is exactly what it says it is... social security. If it were managed properly, it would be in a much less dire situation than it is in today. The issue with private retirement funds is that they can crash and your money can simply vanish like what happened to many many people in 08. Social security does not let that happen. Again. It is a social safety net to make sure no one has to live in dire poverty if they are disabled or old. It can't make the some profits as business because it can not take risks like a business can. And about the 100 trillion... Yes there is an obligation that can be estimated for the future, but it is not current debt. Once you have to start borrowing to pay that, it starts turning into debt. I'm not an economist but there is surely a difference between the two and at this point there is no practical reason to say we are in 100 trillion dollars of debt for the future because it you just take that model and extend it to year 100,000, we would surely be in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 trillions of trillions in debt, so it doesn't make sense.

You are assuming that Obama is just a crony working for the "liberal agenda". There isn't more of a liberal agenda than there is a conservative agenda. Each side has its own set of beliefs and thinks there way is more correct. Actually, the real correct way is most likely somewhere in between the two extreme views. If you want to let the disabled, poor, and elderly starve, freeze and die of preventable illness then sure, get rid of the entitlement programs. Also, let people who are just down on their luck after losing a job die of cancer just because helping people in need is the "liberal agenda". All your spewing out at me is political rhetoric instead of taking a seat and talking about the facts and real solutions to real problems.

You want to simulate the economy? Well only 1 in 25 small business owners say regulation is the major factor in slow growth... lack of consumers is. How do you get jobs? Investments. Money is tight for everyone right now and businesses just want to cut costs and make as much money as they can during a bad time. Government wants to invest for the future while creating some jobs today. The government has the funds to fund MASSIVE projects (like phone networks) that the private sector could never do on their own. That's one major part of Obama's jobs plan which is to spend billions to improve our infrastructure so that everyone can use it to become more prosperous. Who benefits the most from this? The rich who use the infrasture to make the most money so they can pay for more of it because ultimately it benefits them and everyone else.