God Exist? - Universe Discussion - Matter and Energy

All begun with the BigBang, at least that's what teachers teach us, well cience is always changing and wrong all the time, we see an example like 200 years ago, the cience is not the same of course, but following my thought, well if all begun with big bag, everything started with it, time started with bigbag, if times begun with it, how can exist god? He would need time to creat the all Universe, other thing is that matter begun with the bigbang to, so that proves that god never existed before, because he needed to be created first, if there is no matter, but then we think, how Math exist, that would need to be a huge mind to create math i think, or i'am wrong? Not saying god, but a superior mind, a superior be, that can exist right? i mean the Age of the Universe is Huge, so that might exist a superior mind, now the BigBang, the all matter that exist on the Universe, Where it came from?

Final Question that is Hard to answer: Where did the all matter and energy came from? Because the matter and energy on BigBang couldn't just appear like: "Puff, there it is, matter and energy", just appear like that? Yeah, we ask how the Begun the Universe? BigBang of course, but now before the big bang if nothing existed the hell the BIGBANG COULD EXIST IF NOTHING EXISTED BEFORE BIGBANG, BIGBANG HAD THE ALL MATTER AND ENERGY, BUT WHERE "HE" GOT THE MATTER AND ENERGY FROM?

This really interesting to talk guys, leave your question/explanion/theory

 

Are you arguing the existence of God, or asking how these events took place? You could find all of this on the internet if you looked.

 

Why couldn't the universe always have been there?

 

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=828857

and this thread is hard to take seriously when the OP spells science without the S, and decided to make all of the text 2 sizes bigger than it needed to be. Please if you are going to make an argument study it first, then post in a logical coherent manner; not just random ramblings.

Oh, and the matter came from the particles that joined together after the expansion and cooling of space post-big bang. The big bang came from a singularity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity

 

The problem with asking the question 'What came before the Big Bang' is that before implies time. Since time is theorized to be created at the very moment the Big Bang occured and thus t = 0, asking what happens 'before' is about pointless as there was no 'before' as that implies the existence of time where time did not exist. It's much the same as asking what's North of the North pole.

With that in mind, where did the singularity come from? No one has a clue. It could've always been there, someone could've created it, which begs the question, or it may indeed have gone poof and appeared. There are two ways you can look at it. You can either allow an infinite regression to occur, or you do not.

If you allow an infinite regression to occur, then everything has existed for eternity.

If you do not allow an infinite regression to occur, then it's probable that the singularity was the root node, the first cause.

 

The regression, i already thought, and it's what seems correct, thank you alot.

 

But infinite regression is just a silly concept, kind of like dark energy/matter. We don't know what actually is happening so we are just going to make up something that sounds good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

 

Yeah that's true, we don't know, good answer tho.

 

Infinite regressions aren't very logical, I agree. They are however 'reasonable' postulates that some people accept. Some people choose to accept an infinite regression, while others tend to reject it. In the end, the answer is the same; we don't know.

 

Arguing universe creation is like arguing God. It is pointless and all the theories have no proof to actually back them up one way or another.

 

I disagree.

Arguing God is not pointless IMO given the HUGE influence religion has, and the cardinal role God plays. Delving into what affects almost the whole world directly or indirectly is not pointless IMO.

As for the creation of the universe. I think it is important. True, there is no proof. That's because scientists haven't worked out a way to observe it. In principle, since this event pertains to reality it must necessarily have a concrete answer. Given that Science can garner knowledge about reality through observations, in principle, the knowledge is attainable, in practice however science has failed in attaining it. It probably never will.

Nevertheless, if there was an omniscient being and I could ask them a few questions, this question would be up on the list.

 

Scientists are attempting to understand how to the big bang happened with the Large hardon collider(LHC).

But i don't agree with saying they probably never will, Science has progressed more in the past 25 than in all written knowledge of the past.

Off topic: OP learn to spell etc.

 

I'm not going to try parsing the OP's post because reading it made my head hurt and made no sense whatsoever. The 1-hour talk at the end of my post, however, answers quite many questions regarding the origin (and future) of the universe. I would provide a summary, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to do that, even though I've watched it twice.


e: The first 18 minutes or so are history and about expansion of the universe, the fun begins around the 19 minutes mark.
yeah, a terrible post but so is the OP's

 

In all honesty, i'd like to believe in god, but I want more proof of existence.

 

god excists, in your mind (that's how far I know).

 

Really?...


The fact of this existence is a very hard one to contemplate, as the universe is such a mystery to everyone. How it formed, what was there before it, before that? what's above it? Does it end? ECT

It's impossible to "debate" with someone on anything that there is no proof or disproof for.

 

wait.... why does there have to be infinite mass if there is infinite space???

thats like saying you cannot have infinite taco shells without infinite fillings.

 

The Universe can't be infinite because the universe have a beginning which was the bigbang then the Universe can't be infinite, bump!

 

If the universe is infinite its not possible that the bigbang happened, because to be infinite, you can't have a beginning!

 

um, there is a theory known as the oscillating big bang theory.

also, i think ppl in this thread are talking about infinite space-wise, not time-wise.