What government do you think is the best? Why?

If there were Anarchy, all the big time anarchists would probably be the first to be rejected lol

 

The scandanavian countries. Apparently. Most of them anyway, voted happiest place to live, car insurence and prices and stuff is super high so nobody has. People cycle and walk everywhere, people are alot fitter.

 

^^ True i have heard of this

 

Eugenics is pseudo-scientific bullshit spread by those who seek to validate preconceived racial prejudices.

 

Luckily we have you to clarify this..

 

If any of you who are suggesting anarchy and communism (socialism, fascism, I don't care what you call it) as the best form of government are serious, you seriously need to reconsider these opinions.

In terms of communism, how can something be the best form of government when all it does is breed corruption, dictatorship, and oppression? On top of this, if it cannot even succeed as a form of government, how can it even be considered in this question?

China is not actually a communist country and even if you do consider it as that, it is only an economic success at the expense of human rights and civil liberties, which I consider an absolute failure in terms of what a government should be doing.

And don't you dare call Cuba a success either.

The fact is that communism doesn't even look good THEORETICALLY, much less realistically. Who in their right mind would want a society where you are not rewarded for what you accomplish, where any knowledge, property, happiness you gain, must be shared with everyone else. That is absolute bullshit!

My beliefs on anarchy are essentially summed up by an earlier post: it's a joke. I could see it possible for someone to legitimately believe in communism with a twisted enough mind and bad enough conditions, but for someone to sincerely consider anarchy as the best form of government, or lack thereof, is absolutely mind-baffling to me. You think man is capable of running the Earth governed by themselves, living like animals?! Are you INSANE?! To make it a bit more personal, I'm sure most of you (and me) would not last a month in a state of anarchy. Why would you ever wish for this chaos, this chaos that is absolutely unnecessary, stupidly unpractical, and outright dangerous?!

For clarification: I'm not trying to insult you, just your views, which, to be honest, probably will insult you. But someone who has these beliefs deserves to be insulted, I believe. Especially when you insult my dignity as a human and suggest anarchy as even a legitimate way for the world to function.

 

Anarchists don't see Anarchy as a upside down world where rape and murder is the norm and potatoes grow on the necks of unicorns. They (generally) support a future with limited or non-existent government. A world in which things are much more civilized than they are now. There are many schools of thought regarding anarchy, but they almost all believe that a government is not necessary in a civilized society, and even that government is what's hindering us from being truly civilized.

 

Is your logic masqueraded in an attempt to subvert Anarchism as an alternative, or is this that paragraph just an opinion searching for truth?

There's no insult in rejecting one's views, there's just confusion when you don't say why. Are you a proponent of slavery or the suppression of human volition?

 

So these schools of thought would argue that humans are more inclined towards violence, corruption, etc. because of government? Please help me understand this idea because I cannot wrap my head around it.

There's another thread in this sub-forum asking how far someone would go for (x) amount of money. And some of the actions people would be fine with performing for a buck is down-right sad. What many of these people state as their criteria for doing something is that they would do something as long as they would not be able to be caught by the authorities. Now, imagine if there were no "authorities". You don't have to look far to find an argument against anarchy. People on Sythe are clear examples of the dangers of letting man think and act with no restrictions.

I really need an example on how humans could be more civilized without government, please.

Well, for one thing, I AM trying to subvert anarchy, I tried to make it as clear as possible.

Also, my opinion isn't searching for anything, namely because it cannot do so (it's an opinion after all, not a human), rather my opinion IS my truth. Or, well, my truth unless I'm proved/convinced otherwise.

I'm fairly sure I explained my conflict with the idea of anarchy, but since you seem intent on trying to poke holes in my argument (which I appreciate) without explaining yourself as well (which I don't appreciate), I will play your game.

It angers me that you could ask me whether I support slavery/suppression of human will. And I know (or at least hope to know) what your argument will be: as a good anarchist, you will describe EVERY form of government as an institution that enslaves or otherwise represses humans. These "repressions" are called rules, and there's a reason for rules, one of them being that I don't want to be killed because a fellow anarchist wants my tv and has impunity because of this lack of government. I'm sure the first 4 weeks of anarchy would be great! No taxes, no politics, no worries! No order, no protection, no guarantee that whatever you have/do will be there tomorrow...well then the story gets a little different. Anarchy, practically, would not work because of this economic flaw: that any investment you make has absolutely no guarantee of being yours tomorrow. Markets work off confidence, and this lack of confidence contradicts a market. And since you asked whether I support the suppression of human will, I'll answer that. I support the repression of human will when this suppression prevents someone from exercising their human will to kill me.

 

So, the foundation for truthfulness in your mind lies in arbitrary claims? How about you substantiate your claims with logic? Make a logical argument against Anarchism as opposed to flaunting your opinion like it's meaningful.

You didn't make an argument, you stated an opinion. I didn't make an argument, I just rebutted, citing that all you made was an opinion.

If Government is so good at stopping people from killing you, how come there are still murders? Yes there will always be the odd few that kill, government or otherwise, but government will not protect you at all if someone wants to kill you. Unless government is an invisible forcefield around you, I think you've mistaken the reason for why people don't kill each other. Not because of laws, but simply because they don't need/want to, and feel a moral compunction not to. There is no law about prohibiting one from chopping their own finger off, why aren't people chopping their fingers off?

Protection? There are no policemen, or servicemen outside my house defending me. If someone robs my house under an anarchy-like state I could simply shoot them, or call the equivalent of the police. Anarchy itself, at present is not pragmatic, I agree, but it is founded on axiomatic rights, and logical lines of reasoning. Government is founded on coercion by force. As for the no guarantee, you continue making claims that are logically unsubstantiated.

Well, all I can say is, government is doing a fantastic job with the market and economy!

Your support bifurcates. You either support self-defense, which, is fine in an Anarchist society. Or you only support a place where everyone is locked up for their own protection so they cannot possibly kill someone else. A physically impossible place to live in.

Disagreeing with Anarchy, I'd prefer Libertarianism requires you to disagree with the non-aggression principle. Why do you disagree with this principle?


I think you have a cloudy view of how an Voluntaryist society would work. What evidence/logical line of reasoning do you have to support that it will work the way you say it will? You talk about markets when you need turn on the television to see how well the Government is handling them. You talk about protection when all you need do is search Police Brutality and murder rates.

You still haven't answered my questions well enough, a simple Yes, or No will suffice. They are rather concise questions: Do you support slavery, or the suppression of human volition?

 

I'm not an expert on anarchy, nor would I say it's my ideology. I am undecided and apathetic towards politics and radical politics at the moment. But, there are anarchists who have constructed ideas and plans of the future without a state. It's not a question of allowing anyone to do what they want for the most part. There would still be police services, but not state provided police services. Private ones, or public ones, depending on the anarchist you ask. What I'm familiar with is anarcho-capitalism. There are those that say all services provided by the state could be provided by the free market. Go read up on it if you want, a simple google search could provide some more in-depth examples. One I could think of out of the top of my head: Say some company starts polluting the river next to your house. An anarcho-capitalist would say that could be solved without a state. The idea is to buy insurance to in case of such things, giving the insurance company a very high incentive to see that your river stops being polluted, lest they must pay out much money.

I'm not even saying it would work, I really don't know. It's just an example of what an anarchist might say about living without a state.

 

Communism will fail my friend. People will zoom realize that they can half ass their work and get paid the same. It is also human nature to try to be dominate and superiour to others.

 

how could it, its missing half the equation.

 

whats the other half?

 

I think Communism is the best for the country itself (ie China).

But Democracy will have the happiest citizens.

 

The best government is one that fosters the ability for growth and prosperity for all, while maintaining freedom and regulating just enough so people don't get screwed over. I doubt it will ever happen