Selling/buying items and accounts on behalf of banned members

So I was taking a look in the rare name section and this caught my eye: http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1277284 I noticed it right away because Thug_life had been selling it before but I noticed many people were stating this account was being sold and recovered plenty of times but were being sold by trusted members such as TBT and Kodak.

Now we see this account being sold:
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1277284
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1250465 (Thug_life ban evading)
http://ww2.sythe.org/~sythe/showthread.php?p=9466939 (thug_life)
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1240132 (TBT selling on his behalf)
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1272074 (Kodak selling it on his behalf)

So this account was sold by TBT here: http://www.sythe.org/showpost.php?p=9695122&postcount=11

but somehow ended back in Thug_life's hands

since Kodak told me it was being sold on behalf of a friend I assume that friend is Thug_life as his other account was reselling it after TBT had sold it to some1 else

What I'm suggesting is to associate selling items/ accounts/ or anything on behalf of a banned member should count as a partnership and both should be liable in the case of a scam as it seems to constitute with the new partnership rule which was placed, I don't have anything against TBT and kodak they were the only examples I could find.

By the way if a mod sees this I'm pretty sure Gyot is Thug_life ip check pls

So what do you guys think should it be added into the rule for partnerships?

Current rule:

 

I believe I remember somebody getting into some sort of ban/punishment for selling stuff for banned members - I may be wrong.

 

P_anic used to sell RunescapeTM's rare names after RunescapeTM was banned.

Nothing was done about it.

 

I think that the member should have to be a part of the site to be able to sell things. I don't think people should be able to sell on others behalves because he gets really sticky when it comes down to recovering and such, especially if they selling it for a banned member.


EDIT: Someone did get banned for post a banned members MSN though.

 

that was a misunderstanding I believe since they thought the account was hacked/ evading since msns were the same, also to add above if a member is banned off sythe it usually means their business isn't welcomed here so selling under a banned members name shouldn't excuse a ban.

 

Why was runescapetm banned? I quite liked him, and was never scammed by him.

 

I'm not a mod, and I could be wrong, but my thoughts;

It should be ok, but if the account was recovered, then the seller should be banned.

 

They're are banned.
Why should they have the privilege of selling/buying on Sythe?

 

I didn't sell the account, I didn't make the trade. I just "advertised" for him and people added him. Just to note it out.

If I had sold it under MY name, that would be a different thing, in which case I'd agree with you.

 

I know you didn't sell it under your name but simply advertising it for a banned member should hold a responsibility for the advertiser, its like me saying I'm selling an account on behalf of somebody who is banned (possibly myself) but I state it as advertising on behalf of the banned member so I find a buyer who buys the account and later the account is recovered but I (punjabi3) am not responsible but nobody knows it was me who really scammed under another banned users name. Its a simple scam and like I said before if a user is banned from the website their business is not wanted on sythe anymore and technically selling/ advertising on his behalf would fall as a partnership whether you gain in the profit or not.

obviously this shouldn't apply to you but this would be for the future person who thug_lyfe decides to sell under.

 

Personally i think that's worse then you actually selling it for them.

If you sell it for them, it gets recovered you get banned, which is fair.

If your advertising it for a banned member, the buyer could get scammed, and no action could be taken? :/

 

Look down

You have a very very valid point of which I hadn't thought.

Advertising a different e-mail stating it's another persons could be yourself scamming. There would be a whole for people to scam through.

I support that selling and advertising for others should be bannable if the msn/person decides to scam.

 

I personally think that trading for banned users should not be permitted, otherwise why were the originally banned in the first place.

However if this never constitutes as an official rule of Sythe.org, then I definitely do support the original suggestion in this thread, that by assisting a banned user (in this scenario selling a display name on their behalf) then it should deem as a 'partnership' and both parties should be held liable for any unfortunate circumstances.

 

You're responsible for your Sythe account. We don't care if you are re-selling for a banned user, just like we don't care if you are re-selling for a registered user. You just can't sell something against the rules, like a hacked RS account or a keygen. Also, if we catch wind that you knowingly sold a stolen (recovered) account, you'll be banned for knowingly selling stolen goods. You also cannot break the rules, such as selling an account and having it recovered. We don't care who recovers the account; it's your obligation as a seller to protect your buyers' investments.

Posting a trade offer and letting a banned user trade for you is a different story. A matching msn email is grounds for an evasion ban. If you are advertising something for sale on Sythe, we expect you to be the person conducting the trade. Banned users are banned for a reason; their poor or malicious trading habits are something we want to do without on Sythe.

 

You're trying to help someone who has been banned multiple times already for ban evasion the ability to trade on this site while he recovers the account anyway? In my opinion, thats as bad as them and you deserve a ban.

 

That's what I'm pointing out but I've never heard of anybody being banned for it even though it goes on a lot throughout the website, I don't know if this was changed recently with the partnership rule change if it was then it would be nice to see it implemented in the rules.

also can't tell if its directed at me or not lol...

If your conducting the trade technically you fall in as the middleman but never has a middleman been banned for an account being recovered so under this couldn't somebody just say they middlemanned the trade between a sythe member and a banned member, then walk a way without a ban? Also in this case it wasn't the member selling the account it was the user doing the trade but in kodaks case he sold it on behalf of Thug_life to Thug_life(gyot) with a vouch and Thug_life tried reselling it as a vader, I can't tell if that was intentional or if Kodak was tricked but its situations like this where the sythe member would have walked away with no ban if the account was recovered back.

 

I don't see a big issue with this IF it's done correctly.

Example being that whoever was helping the banned, would have to buy the Item / Account FIRST, then re-sell it.

Trading through someone on Sythe when you're banned is the exact same as not being banned - Shouldn't be allowed in my opinion.

 

I Believe that in order to sell / buy you should have to be a member of the sythe community, and that if you are going to use a third party for anything in the buy/sell marketing that it would be a middleman or an official, Or somebody you both agree and trust and not contacting banned users to sell their items/account etc. If they are banned then they wouldn't care about recovering back /charge back or scamming in some way because they are already banned. If its a temp ban then they should have to wait out the time to come back and buy/sell

 

i'm not sure. i've seen people banned for posting a banned members emails etc, while others can sell banned members accounts and nothing happen.


I for one agree, a banned user should not get the right to trade/intereact on sythe.org

 

Personally I think banned users shouldn't be able to have access such as someone else posting for them.
What's to stop them scamming someone and then someone "advertising" for them so they can scam over and over and over.

If they're banned they should have no connection to the forum in my opinion.