Strippers, degraded or empowered?

[tyleremrijones]

It's degrading...that being said, it's their way of making a living...and a very nice one at that.

 

[Jimmy]

It's a humorous notion that the empowerment of women can be done via the process of depriving them the liberty to freely express their sexuality.

The problem is that some women view their sexual appeal as one of few sources of empowerment available to them. They may enjoy the attention they receive, and may even be happy stripping, but it's still degrading in that they've subconsciously resigned themselves to the belief that their primary worth is in their appearance.

Some people's primary worth probably is in their appearance. Why is one's realization of this degrading?

 

[blazinfasstt]

being a stripper does give one a lower rank in society, so yes, it does literally degrade women.

 

[shelterz]

Haha those are some good points.
Strippers truly do power over the men who throw money just to bask amongst their beauty.
Good thread.

 

[blazinfasstt]

well said. agree 100%.

i think there is a big difference between taking pride on your appearance and selling it to lusty men.

then again, arent we all willing to be degraded for the almighty dollar?
does this fact make worshiping this dollar less degrading?

 

[Trinity19]

i think there is a big difference between taking pride on your appearance and selling it to lusty men.

then again, arent we all willing to be degraded for the almighty dollar?
does this fact make worshiping this dollar less degrading?

What if they take pride in their work and enjoy their appearance?
How are we worshiping the dollar lol?

 

[blazinfasstt]

What if they take pride in their work and enjoy their appearance?
How are we worshiping the dollar lol?

well a person may enjoy robbing other people but it still labels them a criminal. they therefore have a lower rank in society.

this applies to strippers as well.
even though they enjoy stripping, it still gives them a low rank in society and therefore degrades them literally.


you need to get your head out of your ass if you dont see people worshiping the dollar around you.

we dont adore those who are virtuous, we adore those with the most money.

what do we do 8 hours a day five days a week, work for money.

what has become the all encompassing goal of life, to get money

 

[Trinity19]

well a person may enjoy robbing other people but it still labels them a criminal. they therefore have a lower rank in society.

this applies to strippers as well.
even though they enjoy stripping, it still gives them a low rank in society and therefore degrades them literally.


you need to get your head out of your ass if you dont see people worshiping the dollar around you.

we dont adore those who are virtuous, we adore those with the most money.

what do we do 8 hours a day five days a week, work for money.

what has become the all encompassing goal of life, to get money

First of all, your analogy is horrible. Considering committing a crime is illegal in our society, that is why you gain a lower rank. It's not because of the act, it's the repercussions of said action.

Last time I checked stripping isn't a crime, so like I said, your analogy doesn't fit.


Also, you're wrong about the whole worshiping the dollar concept. A monetary system is necessary in our society, so yes we have one and people work for the money they make.
Now people can be content with not making a living at all, making ends meet, living comfortably, or working those 80 hours a week for $500,000 a month. It's all based on desire, not worship.

 

[blazinfasstt]

First of all, your analogy is horrible. Considering committing a crime is illegal in our society, that is why you gain a lower rank. It's not because of the act, it's the repercussions of said action.

Last time I checked stripping isn't a crime, so like I said, your analogy doesn't fit.


Also, you're wrong about the whole worshiping the dollar concept. A monetary system is necessary in our society, so yes we have one and people work for the money they make.
Now people can be content with not making a living at all, making ends meet, living comfortably, or working those 80 hours a week for $500,000 a month. It's all based on desire, not worship.

w/e dude
fact is, stripping is considered degrading in our society just as committing a crime is.


and as more money, i think you are too young to know what i am driving at discussing the dollar.

 

[xxlr0ngelxx]

ya its pretty degrading, even for someone paying i think , like honestly i could just go get a women and stuff rather then go and pay for it to see some boobs or something ha, and u cant touch ! wats tha fun in that?

 

[Trinity19]

Wow I was looking for an actual discussion and you give me this shit? That's sad. I mean even an intellectual response would have been nice, but replying with "w/e dude"...you're joking right?

w/e dude
fact is, stripping is considered degrading in our society just as committing a crime is.

No it's actually not, it's degrading in your mind but in societies it is not. So no it's not like committing a crime and you have done nothing to show me how it is like a crime.

and as more money, i think you are too young to know what i am driving at discussing the dollar.

and I think you don't fully know what you're talking about so if we did discuss it, you wouldn't be able to defend your side very well.

 

[djweasel]

Here's my theory, I was talking to my friend who moved to Miami and she's back now. She was a stripper, she has a 3 year old child and she was living in a 1 bedroom, her friend was a stripper and was like "you know if you do this you could make enough to get a 2 bedroom that's nice." I mean I can't knock a girl for having a JOB which alot of people don't have, somone has to do it just like some people are plumbers. Now I have asked her how degraded she felt, she said it was hard because you have to think of it as selling your body, and making $1000 in 2 days motivated her to go back to school and stop stripping once she could afford it. Now, do I think low of her for doing it, no I think she's one of my closest friends.

 

[blazinfasstt]

Here's my theory, I was talking to my friend who moved to Miami and she's back now. She was a stripper, she has a 3 year old child and she was living in a 1 bedroom, her friend was a stripper and was like "you know if you do this you could make enough to get a 2 bedroom that's nice." I mean I can't knock a girl for having a JOB which alot of people don't have, somone has to do it just like some people are plumbers. Now I have asked her how degraded she felt, she said it was hard because you have to think of it as selling your body, and making $1000 in 2 days motivated her to go back to school and stop stripping once she could afford it. Now, do I think low of her for doing it, no I think she's one of my closest friends.

ofc you would not think her low for doing it, your her friend ffs

jesus,

stippers have a lower rank in society, so becoming literally degrades them, regardless of your personal feelings towards that person.

 

[blazinfasstt]

Wow I was looking for an actual discussion and you give me this shit? That's sad. I mean even an intellectual response would have been nice, but replying with "w/e dude"...you're joking right?


No it's actually not, it's degrading in your mind but in societies it is not. So no it's not like committing a crime and you have done nothing to show me how it is like a crime.



and I think you don't fully know what you're talking about so if we did discuss it, you wouldn't be able to defend your side very well.

our society actively looks down upon, or degrades, anyone with the label stripper. go into almost any society and you will find that strippers are among the lowest ranks one can have in society.

if you give me an example of a society that gives stippers a higher rank in society or even a society that has no stigma towards strippers whatsoever and i may believe that "it is all in my mind"

jesus, even belly dancers dont end up stipping

lol, it is only alike committing a crime in that it actively degrades you.

degrade:
1
a : to lower in grade, rank, or status : demote b : to strip of rank or honors c : to lower to an inferior or less effective level <degrade the image quality> d : to scale down in desirability or salability
2
a : to bring to low esteem or into disrepute <his actions have degraded his profession> b : to drag down in moral or intellectual character : corrupt
3
: to impair in respect to some physical property <material degraded by exposure to sunlight>
4
: to wear down by erosion

 

[Trinity19]

our society actively looks down upon, or degrades, anyone with the label stripper. go into almost any society and you will find that strippers are among the lowest ranks one can have in society.

I dunno, I mean the only people I ever see who say stripping is degrading are those women activist groups who aren't comfortable with their bodies so no woman should be.
Other than that I really don't think many people in society think it's a degrading position. Maybe a little taboo, but I don't see them being looked down upon for it.

if you give me an example of a society that gives stippers a higher rank in society or even a society that has no stigma towards strippers whatsoever and i may believe that "it is all in my mind"

jesus, even belly dancers dont end up stipping

lol, it is only alike committing a crime in that it actively degrades you.

degrade:
1
a : to lower in grade, rank, or status : demote b : to strip of rank or honors c : to lower to an inferior or less effective level <degrade the image quality> d : to scale down in desirability or salability
2
a : to bring to low esteem or into disrepute <his actions have degraded his profession> b : to drag down in moral or intellectual character : corrupt
3
: to impair in respect to some physical property <material degraded by exposure to sunlight>
4
: to wear down by erosion

Unfortunately I can't give a location since I'm not well versed in the customs of many different areas. Plus, I'm a history buff so anything I do know that would help would be out of date for this argument.

 

[Sillymonkey]

Strippers are just under-paid prostitutes.

Watch interviews with street prostitutes and they will tell you that they either started out from molestation/fucked up child hood, or because they were previously a stripper.

When they are a stripper they end up doing the same shit as a prostitute some of the time, it is just harder for them to get those types of clients through that channel.

 

[DeXoh]

Maybe socially it would be degrading depending on the society. But to them, probably not. It's a means of living. They profit from horny men that want to oggle their bodies. How is that degrading? If men could make money like women strippers they would too.

 

[djweasel]

Anyone who says "eww strippers are low" what about those cam girls online, that basicly strip for money and do things? To me they are low. Just because I know a few strippers I don't think different, but I think it's funny how alot of people posting on this thread are prolly:
A. Under 18.
B. Never seen a stripper before.

I've seen strippers before, but my opinion is that not all of them do sexual favors. Now ya'll can tell me "oh your friends are strippers of course you don't have a problem" My problem is these closed minded wiseguys that have little respect for thier elders on here and talk shit.

 

[Tckr]

I feel like its just another forum of entertainment. But the thought that your selling your body - for a limited time - fto a stranger kind of baffles my mind.

 

[Delta Squad]

Eh.. they can say their empowered, what did they accompish? Getting tons of Horny drunks to throw money at them...


the Ugly ones who don't strip but become school teachers/senators/help the world become better can feal empowered.



Men who strip are just the same as women strippers imho.


Alas i'm a young man with a old mans thoughts i wouldn't want my kids/wife showing off their body to strangers for money.. but thats just me i still beleive in asking the father for daughters hand in marriage /shrug.