I'm having an argument...

[Merriken]

Okay so I'm having an arguement with my family about 9/11 and Osama being killed.

I think that 9/11 was an inside job, set up by the government.
I also think that Osama was NOT caught by the US Special Forces. The whole incident just seems too strange. They've been looking for him for 10 years and when they 'find him' they don't take any pictures or videos and they dump him into the sea? A bit strange don't you think?

So, questions are:
1) Was 9/11 an inside job?
2) Did the Americans capture Osama?

 

[BEN007]

I don't think 9/11 was an inside job, but I'm extremely sceptical about Bin Laden's death. Especially as no footage was captured and he was thrown out to sea.

 

[ShockWaveee]

Make your parents watch "Loose Change".. it's on Netflix. It points out some serious flaws in the 9/11 situation. I'm going to side with you and say that it was most likely a setup, there were just too many coincidences lol.

As for Osama.. We've most likely had him for quite some time now. When the government wants somebody, they get them. It's pretty difficult to stay public enemy number one of America and not be found, especially after 10 years. Obama is gonna get a lot of credit for his capture, even though he had absolutely 0% involvement on it.. it's stupid. Probably a ploy to bring up his ratings among voters since they've been tanking lately.

 

[kill dank]

Have them watch the Zeitgeist movies. It's about 9-11 and how it's an inside job. VERY good watch.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECMJ2LBK90Q

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSW1x_h4Kfo

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeSDOb7NcgE

UHM!
As far as Osama goes, i think he's been dead and nobody ever found a body. This was just their way of calling off the hunt. Why would they admit they're wrong when the citizens have no way of knowing for sure? Just fake it and tell them you found him and killed him.

IF they did kill him the other day, They killed him because they didn't want to give him a trial where he would tell his side of the story because it wouldn't match up with what the government has been telling us for years.

I think the picture circulating around google is fake. The government could easily fake them as they did with some of the videos they were said to have found.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JwRe5i_VDQ


EDIT:: and here's a show by alex jones and his opinion on it. Long but interesting and yea.. http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-special-broadcast-on-the-bin-laden-hoax/

 

[TahBreezy]

I think it is pretty obvious that Osama has died. This is because his oldest son died with them during the gun raid. You could say thats a cover up, but the fact that he was dumped into sea was the fact that it was part of his religion. You must be buried in 24 hours they say. He is a muslim. A follower of Allah, believer of Islam. The US asked Saudi Arabia ( Osama's birthplace ) but they declined.
I think the US didn't ask any other country because by seeing a gravestone, it could also be used as motivation for people to act as terrorists and cause future harm.

 

[charmander412]

You do realize that to assert that it was a government conspiracy is to assert that the government is responsible for intentionally murdering thousands of their own people and destroying a central hub of New York. I think, considering the moral gravity of these crimes, one should not have the audacity and shortsightedness to bring it into question without incontrovertible evidence suggesting such activity.
For your second argument, honestly, just read some articles.

 

[Coinshare]

1) Was 9/11 an inside job? I believe so.
2) Did the Americans capture Osama? I believe not.

Governments never tell us everything, so they have their citizens believing one thing or another. I'm sure they wouldn't tell us what happened in Roswell, New Mexico, some 50 odd years ago.

 

[WhitePassion]

1. doubt it
2.hell no

 

[tiger9110]

It happened, nothing is going to reverse that. Asking who did it and who didn't would be pointless to wonder at this point.

 

[I Got Munnyz]

I agree with you, sounds a bit strange..

 

[FireZ]

You do realize there is video footage and pictures of osamas dead body right?

 

[ShockWaveee]

You do realize there is video footage and pictures of osamas dead body right?

I don't think anybody is asserting that he is still on the loose.. just that he wasn't killed when they say he was. Also, please link to these videos/pictures.. and if not allowed, PM them to me.

I'm pretty sure I know the picture you're talking about and it's been proven to be a fake. The video.. I haven't heard about that.

 

[FireZ]

The photos and videos are unreleased by the government at this time but they do exist, they are debating whether to release them now or not, last I heard.

 

[ShockWaveee]

You do realize that to assert that it was a government conspiracy is to assert that the government is responsible for intentionally murdering thousands of their own people and destroying a central hub of New York. I think, considering the moral gravity of these crimes, one should not have the audacity and shortsightedness to bring it into question without incontrovertible evidence suggesting such activity.
For your second argument, honestly, just read some articles.

You act as if the government cares about the general population. Did you know that there was EXTENSIVE foreknowledge of the events of Pearl Harbor, but the government did nothing? How many lives did we lose on that day? The end result was 2,403 (approximately) dead for the United States, and one of the nations top naval bases being destroyed. It didn't matter to the government, because it gave us the opportunity to get into WW2.

What makes this ANY different? Seriously, think things through. It makes sense.

The Project for the New American Century was an project headed by numerous people who eventually wound up serving on the Bush administration. In their report about the Middle East and Saddam Hussein's regime, they said:

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"

Are you really ignorant enough to say that the events of 9/11 didn't pave the way into the Middle East much like Pearl Harbor paved our way into WW2?

 

[kill dank]

You do realize that to assert that it was a government conspiracy is to assert that the government is responsible for intentionally murdering thousands of their own people and destroying a central hub of New York. I think, considering the moral gravity of these crimes, one should not have the audacity and shortsightedness to bring it into question without incontrovertible evidence suggesting such activity.

There isn't any incontrovertible evidence of anything except what everyone say which was a plane crashing into a tower. Everything else is mere speculation. I personally believe the government would orchestrate such an event to gain support and control over the public through fear. Knowing people can't do anything on their own, they'll support and trust that the government will do what's right and sort everything out. It is also a way for the government to allocate over a trillion dollars for the supposed war fund that really doesn't have to go anywhere in particular because who's gonna find out? It takes the publics focus off of the corruption of our government and on to supporting it in time of war.

It also could have been a test to see how the public would react to a much larger accident such as the invasion of our country by foreign troops. It would help them get an idea of how to handle the widespread panic and confusion of the public. It could also be used in this manner as a way to get the general public to trust their government more resulting in them being unsuspecting of anything that they haven't directly talked about.

As for why they would choose that building to be destroyed as opposed to something like the Willis tower in Chicago, It all has to do with what the government was trying to hide.

The DoD was unable to account for $2.3trillion dollars of the taxpayers money. There were no records or trail as to where this money went. Most people believe it was used to fund black-ops and top secret projects. This was talked about on the day before september 11th, the attack was just used to divert attention away from this huge loss. A loss that is almost 1/7th of the total national debt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRqeJcuK-A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU&feature=related



""At the time of its destruction, Building 7 housed documents relating to numerous SEC investigations. The files for approximately three to four thousand cases were destroyed, according to the Los Angeles Times. Among the destroyed documents were ones that may have demonstrated the relationship between Citigroup and the WorldCom bankruptcy.""(SEC & EEOC: Attack Delays Investigations, National Law Journal, 9/17/01)

 

[slysteeler]

The photos and videos are unreleased by the government at this time but they do exist, they are debating whether to release them now or not, last I heard.

They will release the pictures when Bin Laden finishes his photoshoot

On a serious note, I have some skepticism about Bin Laden's death, due to the lack of evidence. But, my gut feeling is that he did die.

 

[ShockWaveee]

The photos and videos are unreleased by the government at this time but they do exist, they are debating whether to release them now or not, last I heard.

Well then we will talk about them when they are released lol. I don't get how you can even use this as an argument. You have no idea whether or not they exist. I can say that I have pictures/videos of me fucking Miley Cyrus in the ass, but that doesn't make it true.. I could just say I'm choosing not to show them to you because it would violate my privacy.

 

[josephm]

There are pictures of Osama's wounds right above his eye.

 

[rsplayer31]

Well then we will talk about them when they are released lol. I don't get how you can even use this as an argument. You have no idea whether or not they exist. I can say that I have pictures/videos of me fucking Miley Cyrus in the ass, but that doesn't make it true.. I could just say I'm choosing not to show them to you because it would violate my privacy.

Your statement is just retarted, check any news site. (heres just one link http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2...elease-photo-of-osama-bin-ladens-body/?hpt=T2) The United States has pictures there are just some big things to weigh in before making a choice whether or not to release them.

So you believe that while the top head of the United States watched the entire event unfold from Washington D.C they didn't record it? Or that none of the Seals would document these events for military intelligence?

All of the information is highly classified, who knows when they will choose to release it, if they do.

There are pictures of Osama's wounds right above his eye.

The picture you saw is most likely this one which is a fake. http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/03/bin.laden.fake.photo/index.html?hpt=T1

 

[ShockWaveee]

Your statement is just retarted, check any news site. (heres just one link http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2...elease-photo-of-osama-bin-ladens-body/?hpt=T2) The United States has pictures there are just some big things to weigh in before making a choice whether or not to release them.

So you believe that while the top head of the United States watched the entire event unfold from Washington D.C they didn't record it? Or that none of the Seals would document these events for military intelligence?

All of the information is highly classified, who knows when they will choose to release it, if they do.



The picture you saw is most likely this one which is a fake. http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/03/bin.laden.fake.photo/index.html?hpt=T1

No sir, your argument is retarded. We can't make arguments with evidence we don't have. There is no point in saying "it's true there's pictures!" if we have no proof there are pictures. I understand that if this is true then yes obviously there will be pictures taken etc.. but like I said, I have my doubts that things went down the way they said they did. It's hard to imagine that with all of the resources the United States government has that someone who is pretty much public enemy number one can stay hidden for nearly 10 years. It just doesn't make sense. I don't care how good you are, one of the most advanced/powerful nations in the world > their cave operation.

By your logic all a prosecutor would have to do to win a trial is say "I have pictures of the defendant committing such crime, but I can't show them to you" and the jurors are supposed to just believe him. >_>

I just do not see the harm in releasing pictures of his body or having some sort of video proof it was him. As long as it didn't link back to any of the people involved in collecting the intelligence, there should be no harm.. I understand that the Muslim tradition requires a speedy burial but really.. you don't find it at least a LITTLE odd that all of a sudden we hear that he's dead, they did DNA testing, and then almost immediately they buried him AT SEA? He had to have somebody who would want his body. I'm sure he had supporters/family/friends who would've taken his body. If you can honestly say that these events are not strange to you, wow..