Theft of virtual goods.

[Shredderbeam]

I believe i know what you mean by this, but correct me if im wrong. It is not tangible, so no.

Then you also do not have a problem with person A stealing person B's credit information and using it to purchase large amounts of goods?

 

[TJ]

Then you also do not have a problem with person A stealing person B's credit information and using it to purchase large amounts of goods?

hmm, tricky. The goods that was bought could possibly be reported stolen, but you have me in quite a perdiciment(sp).

My instinct tells me yes, because the goods could then be reported stolen because they are tangible. But yet it was bought with untangible items, so it would be up in the air.

 

[Shredderbeam]

hmm, tricky. The goods that was bought could possibly be reported stolen, but you have me in quite a perdiciment(sp).

My instinct tells me yes, because the goods could then be reported stolen because they are tangible. But yet it was bought with untangible items, so it would be up in the air.

The goods would not have been stolen, they would have been purchased via a credit system.

 

[TJ]

The goods would not have been stolen, they would have been purchased via a credit system.

However, you cannot simply buy them without some kind of identification.

Ie, credit card, license, etc.

So please, more depth.

 

[Shredderbeam]

However, you cannot simply buy them without some kind of identification.

Ie, credit card, license, etc.

So please, more depth.

One can buy items online using simply a credit card number, the name of the holder, and the card's date of expiration (sometime plus a certain confirmation code, printed on the card). If a person had access to another's credit card for 30 seconds, they could get all of the required information.

 

[Phlasko]

I voted no, the reason why is what you mentioned in the post 'It's Virtual". It doesnt technically "Exist". That shit is just over the top with fighting over runescape.

 

[Runescape Blows]

If it shouldn't be punishable, why ban scammers?

 

[Phlasko]

If it shouldn't be punishable, why ban scammers?

Because this is talking about a Law. Not a forum, all forum's have there rules.

 

[TJ]

If it shouldn't be punishable, why ban scammers?

You are breaking the games ToS anyways, so they can ban you. You shouldn't be allowed to make a profit off of another persons creation.

 

[Runescape Blows]

You are breaking the games ToS anyways, so they can ban you. You shouldn't be allowed to make a profit off of another persons creation.

I voted yes, 100th voter. I am talking to those who voted no.

I was also talking about Sythe.


There are scams occurring all the time here; many of which involve scamming RSGP. I'll leave the $ scams out of this.

What do we do when we found out someone has scammed GP?

We ban them, of course.

When you ban someone, you're punishing them. So, in essence, you're punishing them for the theft of virtual goods.

 

[TJ]

Which is fine, because you are not taking legal action against them. You are saving kiddies from getting their items stolen by the same person. Now, if they were to try to take legal action, there would be a problem.

 

[Runescape Blows]

Which is fine, because you are not taking legal action against them. You are saving kiddies from getting their items stolen by the same person. Now, if they were to try to take legal action, there would be a problem.

Which is why I left the scamming of $ out of it.

If someone scams 1M they get banned.
If someone scams $4 they can be perused legally.

 

[TJ]

Which is why I left the scamming of $ out of it.

If someone scams 1M they get banned.
If someone scams $4 they can be perused legally.

So what are you pointing out?

 

[Habibi]

Wow.. Shocking and they should not be punished however, for stealing RS2 Staffs should take care of it by banning... Not the law taking care of sentencing them to W.e

My god this is crazy....

 

[The Riddler_]

Selling virtual goods, shouldn't be. Because in all reality, take runescape as an example. If a notrious runescape scammer scams over 500m, what happens if Runescape goes out of business tommorow. All of that would be for nothing, and no more proof of the case. If it's not real life, it should not be considered real law, in my opinion.

Congratulations, you've just defined stock.

 

[Damien0124]

I believe i know what you mean by this, but correct me if im wrong. It is not tangible, so no.

Then you are saying that all virtual items should be sueable if stolen. It takes effort to get the items.

You can't say a person can get in trouble for stealing 100m, and not get in trouble for stealing 1m. Its irony at its best.

You're saying that it's okay to steal anything as long as it's not tangible, right? So what if I broke into your bank account and transferred all your money by computer to my bank account, would you consider that stealing than? The money isn't tangible.

Also, if you steal songs (download them illegally) I think you can be punished, since the song is property of the record company/artist. Virtual goods take time to collect, but when stolen, nothing can be done, since it's not yours. ALL items/currency ingame are still property of the game developer.

 

[TJ]

You're saying that it's okay to steal anything as long as it's not tangible, right? So what if I broke into your bank account and transferred all your money by computer to my bank account, would you consider that stealing than? The money isn't tangible.

Also, if you steal songs (download them illegally) I think you can be punished, since the song is property of the record company/artist. Virtual goods take time to collect, but when stolen, nothing can be done, since it's not yours. ALL items/currency ingame are still property of the game developer.

This thread was originally about stealing runescape stuff, so i have yet to adapt to the incoming questions. Stealing from the bank account is up in the air. The bank could press charges, however because you are stealing from their server. Darren and I agreed on some things last night. We agreed that only the developer of said game or whatever the situation is, can sue because you are actually taking from them. I.E : person a steals gold from person b. Person b cannot sue, because person c owns the game, so its his.

Why should i pay for time?

 

[Damien0124]

Stealing from the bank account is up in the air. The bank could press charges, however because you are stealing from their server.

I think you can press charges against somebody if he steals from your bank account, since it's your money.

On the other hand, you handed over the money to the bank so they can secure it and so they can make more money with it (that is why you recieve interest). So it's the responsability of the bank to guard your money. If they fail, because somebody steals it, the most logic thing is, that the bank goes after your money and tries to press charges against the thief.

We agreed that only the developer of said game or whatever the situation is, can sue because you are actually taking from them. I.E : person a steals gold from person b. Person b cannot sue, because person c owns the game, so its his.

I've been saying something like this all along and I agree with you on this too.

 

[caseyscoolerthanu]

Those kids were big bullies picking on another kid for things he worked for. They deserve all the community service hours there were charged in my opinion.

 

[TJ]

Those kids were big bullies picking on another kid for things he worked for. They deserve all the community service hours there were charged in my opinion.

He spent time on a video game, when he could of been doing something better with his time. Like, the kid could of been doing community service instead of wasting time on a pointless video game.

They deserve the time, but are you saying they do because they stole his "virtual items"?