User Education

[Analog]

I have decided, due to conversation with another member of Sythe, to provide a new, more efficient, layout for the User Education section.

1. The first thing which I want to point out is that we have 3 or 4 user educators, three of which I have seen post. Now, the User Education section (http://sythe.org/forumdisplay.php?f=305) has 4 guides which have been created by current user educators. This shows that more user educators must be promoted; from what I was told there used to be about 12-18 user educators. With more educators promoted, there will be more activity in the User Education section.

2. The next point which would like to put forth is; why have 6 different sub-sections for programming when they only have a combined 15 guides compared to the 109 threads in the other two sections; Miscellaneous Education and General Computing/Internet Education I believe that it would be much neater if an administrator could delete the sub-sections and just have a section for Programming Education and users would write what type of programming it is in the title of their thread. I know it's not a big change but it would decrease the useless space in UE and leave it more space efficient.

3. The third point of my suggestion; guides worthy of being moved get moved into the User Education (http://sythe.org/forumdisplay.php?f=305) section from the User Submitted Guides section, (http://sythe.org/forumdisplay.php?f=347) and not hide in an Approved Guides section. The problem with this is that there are at least 15+ guides worthy of being moved into the User Education section, but none of them are being moved, just piling up in the User Submitted Guides section. So, this will cause the deletion of Approved Guides and any guide which is a superb guide will get moved into the User Education section where all the good useful guides are, but, still, only used educators can post there.

3.5. The other option which is available is to just make the User Submitted Guides a sub-section in User Education so all the guides will be in one forum, but the good ones still get moved into their respective categories in which only user educators could post in. Normal members would only be able to create threads in User Submitted Guides.

4. I think we should also have a private forum for user educators. This way when they are promoting user educators they can post there and have a place to discuss who to make a UE. This would also be a place where they could post links to guides. Then the user educators could vote on if they guide is worthy of being approved and being moved into the User education section. This way it is a majority vote on whether or not the guide is good.

5. The final point in my suggestion is that in the User Submitted Guides section (http://sythe.org/forumdisplay.php?f=347) we get rid of the unimportant stickies and update the good ones.
The stickies which should be removed:

• http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=431804

• http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=441294

• The content can be re-posted in Eric's thread: http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=517906

This sticky should also be updated: http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=416969

Thanks, and don't be to harsh, it's just a suggestion :nuts:

If anyone has any ideas or additions that they think should be made to UE and this suggestion please post and I will add your suggestion into the overall scheme.

 

You have my support Analog, good suggestion.

 

[SuF]

I think the layout of the UE should make it easier for people to find the guides that are good. I think something like this would work better than current system, even though it makes the section slightly bigger. (If people do not like that they can hide the UE, so no complaining)

UE General Stuff (Needs a better name or something)

UE Hidden Area D: D: D:
General Chat
Submit a Guide
Help / Requests
Archives​

Programming(maybe just put under computing since there are only 15 guides, and some need to be removed)

Java
Web Languages
Other​

Gerneral Computing

Games
Internet
Programming(maybe)
Other​

Non-Computer

Sports(Health shit too?)
School Related
Other​

That only adds 1, or maybe no more section to the main page. I think adding a few more sections to the main page would be nice, but this is trying to make it as small as possible. I like this better, since you do not have that huge unorganized mess when you click on UE guides section...

 

[Shin]

I agree with your proposals. Threads in the User Education should not be Deleted, however, unless they Violate the Rules to a certain aspect. As for the User Submitted Guides, it is a Stage that all Guides must undergo before being put into the User Education Section on request. As for User Educators, they should be able to post their Guides in the UE Section without putting them in the USG Section first.

As for the Stickies...
They are quite alright in the place that they are located, and they seem to be accurate to me. One that needs to be updated it that in the Off-Topic Section, which still seems to have me, MatthewGor123, and Python as UE's. Perhaps I may be reinstated my rank someday.

Excellent Analog.

 

[madhacker14]

I support,
I remember back when I first saw the UE section, and we had "UE applications" section, we should really bring this back.
Without more members, then whats the point in even haveing it?
You can't expect four member's to keep comeing up with idea's for guide's, can you?

 

[Analog]

Exactly, you can't expect 4 UE's to keep up the guides in the User Education section.

EDIT: Read section 4, I just added it.

 

[Shin]

EDIT: Read section 4, I just added it.

There is a Private Forum for User Educators. Certain things are discussed in there and should be handled as Staff Info as well. Things should not be leaked from their either. Hence the name 'Private'.

 

Exactly, you can't expect 4 UE's to keep up the guides in the User Education section.

True, although you don't need a UE rank to contribute guides, rate guides, or answer people's requests. The rank is mostly a symbol of participation, knowledge and respect.

 

[Analog]

There is a Private Forum for User Educators. Certain things are discussed in there and should be handled as Staff Info as well. Things should not be leaked from their either. Hence the name 'Private'.

Well it's been kept a secret thus far, I didn't even know there was one.

 

[Shin]

Well it's been kept a secret thus far, I didn't even know there was one.

Apparently it was kept a secret until SuF exploited the information.

 

[R33l2r3al]

I still haven't read all of the ideas, but I just wanted to comment on the USG section and the UE Guides Section. The UE Guide section (With it's various sub-sections) is a place where UE Guides go, not good Guides from the USG Section. If there is a good guide in the USG section, upon approval from the HUE, it can be moved into the Approved Guides section, which is basically saying it's a top quality guide and should be looked at

To add, we have a Private Forum already, it's not new information. As Unb4nn3d said, it's private information, and doesn't get released.

 

[SuF]

I still haven't read all of the ideas, but I just wanted to comment on the USG section and the UE Guides Section. The UE Guide section (With it's various sub-sections) is a place where UE Guides go, not good Guides from the USG Section. If there is a good guide in the USG section, upon approval from the HUE, it can be moved into the Approved Guides section, which is basically saying it's a top quality guide and should be looked at

To add, we have a Private Forum already, it's not new information. As Unb4nn3d said, it's private information, and doesn't get released.

Thats just retarded... If the guide is good, move it the section for good guides. I mean there are loads of shit guides by non-ue's in the UE section... why have a different place for them? it just makes the harder to find and makes the section less useful...

 

[Analog]

I still haven't read all of the ideas, but I just wanted to comment on the USG section and the UE Guides Section. The UE Guide section (With it's various sub-sections) is a place where UE Guides go, not good Guides from the USG Section. If there is a good guide in the USG section, upon approval from the HUE, it can be moved into the Approved Guides section, which is basically saying it's a top quality guide and should be looked at

I think that approved guides should be moved into the UE Guides section because they are top quality. You would look in the UE Guides section if you wanted to look for top guides, thus the guides be moved there. Also, no one looks in the approved guides section and there are only 6 or so guides, hence more guides should be getting approved because there are over 15 guides worthy of approval. When people look for guides they search the UE Guides section which is where approved guides should be placed.
I don't agree with what your saying basically. It used to be approved guides were moved to UE, which is where all the guides which are WORTH reading should be placed, not in a different section. Who wants to go to two different areas just to look for good guides? No one, have them all in one section, it's more efficient.

 

[R33l2r3al]

Thats just retarded... If the guide is good, move it the section for good guides. I mean there are loads of shit guides by non-ue's in the UE section... why have a different place for them? it just makes the harder to find and makes the section less useful...

Care to list a few?

I think that approved guides should be moved into the UE Guides section because they are top quality. You would look in the UE Guides section if you wanted to look for top guides, thus the guides be moved there. Also, no one looks in the approved guides section and there are only 6 or so guides, hence more guides should be getting approved because there are over 15 guides worthy of approval. When people look for guides they search the UE Guides section which is where approved guides should be placed.
I don't agree with what your saying basically. It used to be approved guides were moved to UE, which is where all the guides which are WORTH reading should be placed, not in a different section. Who wants to go to two different areas just to look for good guides? No one, have them all in one section, it's more efficient.

I'm open to the idea that the Approved Guides section be moved into the UE as a sub-forum. That way, it is seperate from that of the UE threads and it's still visible to all the people that go the UE section instead of the USG section.

 

[SuF]

If you mean crap guides, some are crap IMO, but might not be in yours... This one is shit no matter who you are:

http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=491425

But, I do not feel liking going threw tons to find some bad guides. I know they are there, and there are plenty by non UE's

 

[R33l2r3al]

If you mean crap guides, some are crap IMO, but might not be in yours... This one is shit no matter who you are:

http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=491425

But, I do not feel liking going threw tons to find some bad guides. I know they are there, and there are plenty by non UE's

All of the guides in that section, including that one, were written by current or former UE's. None of them were written by people who didn't have the rank at one point in time.

Poorly written or not, it was by a UE.

 

[SuF]

All of the guides in that section, including that one, were written by current or former UE's. None of them were written by people who didn't have the rank at one point in time.

Poorly written or not, it was by a UE.

Does it matter if it was by a UE? There should be no guides in there that were not show to be good. Excluding non UEs from that section is really retarded. Many of the best guides are by NON-UEs...

 

[Analog]

Let's stay on topic, about the suggestion. I think we need this update and hopefully this thread will be viewed by someone of higher power.

 

[R33l2r3al]

If you mean crap guides, some are crap IMO, but might not be in yours... This one is shit no matter who you are:

http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=491425

But, I do not feel liking going threw tons to find some bad guides. I know they are there, and there are plenty by non UE's

Hence the reason for the approved guides section. The UE section is there for UE guides, and the USG section is there for just that, User Submitted Guides. By being in the UE, you get to post your guides there. If a guide is really good in the USG section, PM an HUE (Atm that is Pen) and ask him politely to move it the Approved Guides section.

As I said before, I am all for have the Approved Guides section being moved into a sub-category of the UE section instead of a sub section in the USG. That way, people know it was written by a non-UE, but it was a great guide, and thus deserves attention in that regard.

Let's stay on topic, about the suggestion. I think we need this update and hopefully this thread will be viewed by someone of higher power.

I hope I have stayed on topic. As you can see above ^^^ I still posted what I thought on one of the suggestions at hand. Just my take on it.

 

[Analog]

We will just have to wait and see what this final decision is.