"Soft Porn"

[Brendan]

If it's blatent obvious pornography, the ban is generally issued immediately. If it's borderline, warnings are givien. That's how it's always been. I guess a little bit of light on what's over the line and what isn't could be helpful, but it'd be pretty difficult to put guidelines too.

Safest bet would be just stay clear of it.

 

[Apith]

My response had more to do with the fact that he didn't actually address the suggestion at all. No one particularly cares what he did/didn't come to sythe to see.

Like I said, if Im at work or in a public place, it's more likely I am not on Sythe to look at women in front of people. These people are on Sythe to read, trade, give their opinion etc. They arent here to see women that turns them on in front of people.

I think that there is a huge difference between posting legitimate pornography(totally deserving of a month+ ban) and posting a sexually provocative picture(maybe a warning, followed by a three day ban). There could be a note that nsfw pictures aren't allowed outside of the spam forum and can result in "x" I can almost guarantee something like this is bound to come up again in the future given the audience this site generally appeals too.

Definition if porn:

: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement

This is why the staff determines what is porn.

The staff will decide what constitutes porn or gore. It is not for you to decide. Steer clear of posting anything which could be interpreted as this.

My point is that while it may not be safe for work, it still isn't really pornography and doesn't need to be treated as harshly.

And it isnt for you to decide. You werent the one handling the reports and having to make sure people arent around to get the wrong idea of what you are doing.

edit: Also I haven't seen any compelling evidence that TPM was warned by anyone, there is a difference between a warning and saying "eh, you should probably stop." Even Roary said that he didn't necessarily have to stop. Also the notion that a girl in a bikini could actually cloud a staff members judgement is laughable. I really don't think the pictures had anything to do with the outcomes of those reports whatsoever.

Im pretty sure people said that tpm himself said he would stop. He asked for it when he posted about it in the spam forum asking what is wrong with it. Exactly why I said it could cloud their judgement.

oh look a hot girl, ill have a quickie and think about this report later or while my lower body has the dibs on the blood

There was a thread, regardless that it was in the sf, that someone posted of a picture taken from tpm's report. The replies? "Fapfapfap". So it can enter their mind.

 

Like I said, if Im at work or in a public place, it's more likely I am not on Sythe to look at women in front of people. These people are on Sythe to read, trade, give their opinion etc. They arent here to see women that turns them on in front of people.

Again, hence the suggestion of a 3 day ban or something specifically for this type of situation. That's more than enough to get the message across to someone.

Definition if porn
This is why the staff determines what is porn.

Can you not see the difference between someone posting a girl in a bathing suit and a fully nude girl fingering herself? They really aren't equal in severity and therefore don't deserve the same severity of punishment.

And it isnt for you to decide. You werent the one handling the reports and having to make sure people arent around to get the wrong idea of what you are doing.

Precisely why it wouldn't be allowed outside of the spam forum. The only thing that I'm arguing is that there should be a distinction between posting nude pictures and pictures of a girl in a bathing suit or something else that could be considered not completely safe for work.

Even though that I strongly disagree with his ban the point of this thread really is about the OP's suggestion, not a debate about a specific users ban being warranted.

Im pretty sure people said that tpm himself said he would stop

Point being? Anyway, I'm done discussing the specifics of his ban.

He asked for it when he posted about it in the spam forum asking what is wrong with it. Exactly why I said it could cloud their judgement.

There was a thread, regardless that it was in the sf, that someone posted of a picture taken from tpm's report. The replies? "Fapfapfap". So it can enter their mind.

Okay, so the moderator finds the girl in the report attractive. I seriously doubt that would influence their ruling. As far as your argument about them being less efficient because they have to to fap... lol.

 

Regarding TPM's ban: some staff will say something is spam, some staff would say it wasn't. The same happened here: I didn't think it broke any rules, it just annoyed me whereas apparently some staff felt it was breaking rules etc. There doesn't need to be a 100% staff agreement when someone is banned, it's at staff discretion for a reason.

Now can we cool it with the TPM ban discussion?

Regarding the porn rule:

Material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity.

Half-nudes aren't actually pornography in the real world, but then again the pictures posted weren't just your average person without a top on - it was intended to be attractive women posing & dressed provocatively. Reading through, I agree that NSFW can be a pain to some people who browse Sythe from elsewhere or with people around.

Just keep NSFW in the SF. Browsing the SF in company or in a public place isn't really recommended anyway.

 

[Apith]

Again, hence the suggestion of a 3 day ban or something specifically for this type of situation. That's more than enough to get the message across to someone.




Can you not see the difference between someone posting a girl in a bathing suit and a fully nude girl fingering herself? They really aren't equal in severity and therefore don't deserve the same severity of punishment.




Precisely why it wouldn't be allowed outside of the spam forum. The only thing that I'm arguing is that there should be a distinction between posting nude pictures and pictures of a girl in a bathing suit or something else that could be considered not completely safe for work.

Even though that I strongly disagree with his ban the point of this thread really is about the OP's suggestion, not a debate about a specific users ban being warranted.




Point being? Anyway, I'm done discussing the specifics of his ban.

He asked for it when he posted about it in the spam forum asking what is wrong with it. Exactly why I said it clouds their judgement.

Okay, so the moderator finds the girl in the report attractive. I seriously doubt that would influence their ruling. As far as your argument about them being less efficient because they have to to fap... lol.

You forgot to quote the part

intended to cause sexual excitement

Do you really think men thinks straight when they are turned on? And what happens when a guy gets turned on when they see one of those pictures, does it not cause sexual excitement when getting turned on?

Can you not see the difference between someone posting a girl in a bathing suit and a fully nude girl fingering herself? They really aren't equal in severity and therefore don't deserve the same severity of punishment.

Can you not see they both give the same outcome? They both can turn a man on. The only reason pornography isnt allowed is to keep out away from children's eyes. There is a reason why websites started putting enter only if you're 18/21+.

If you post nsfw pictures where moderators are always at, they have the decision on how long the ban should be.

You said you were done discussing the specifics of his ban. The specific part was he posted it several times in the ras section. And that is what resulted in a month ban. I doubt posting it again after a warning in say the suggestion section for no reason would result in a whole month ban. Point here is I doubt the staff would ban others if they didnt see it as a way of provoking them in a different section.

In the end the duration of bans are up to the staff. And I do believe they wont treat a different situation that takes place elsewhere the same as they did with tpm. Simply because it is 2 very different things to add images like that, simply for your entertainment, in your reports where you know staff reads, and in the comm general. Just like trolling a moderator would result in a more harsh punishment than a normal member who doesnt approve of a thread in the spam forum.

 

[Alex12345]

Should Be allowed in the SF/USF, this really is not porn, Its lingerie modelling, I've seen girls dress much "worse" walking into a night club in town, although I cant see a warning for tpm that he'll have a month ban if he continues, all he was trying to do was make (the numerous and successful) scam reports more interesting, I always browse the RaS and i really don't mind.
Even if (god forbid) there's 10-12 year olds on this site, they'll have already seen it all before, and much much worse, it's just modern culture now
Ik this isn't PB, but there's alot worse shit on there in people's sigs/unmonitored sections

 

[AmitZ]

TPM got banned for posting a "porn" pic in a thread that was going to get archived anyways.. I dont see why he was banned.

 

TPM was given warnings, he should of taken them, yes the ban length was a bit long but we're not dicussing that on this thread, in the future if you're warned stay away from it, as Apith has said when he views Sythe at work or in public he doesn't want to be seeing half naked women. I certainly don't want to see them while I'm at home either due to my dude and in the future my little brother walking around.

 

[l0llyp0pst3r]

I think the main reason is cuz he was asked to stop and he didn't more than the fact that he posted them.

 

[Apith]

Guys this isnt a ban discussion of TPM, his situation is what inspired this suggestion and was used as a comparison.

The suggestion is if someone repeats it outside the SF section, they should be given a warning then a 3 day/1 week ban, not a month.

In the end I believe it's the moderator's decision on the ban duration, which would depend on how many times it was done, he was warned and how far they went. It's just unnecessary posting it anywhere aside from the spam forum, unless there was a thread that mentions in the title about the possible contents of the thread. At least then people would know what to expect, but obviously it wouldnt show any nudity.

I couldnt have said what Roary said better, if anyone hasnt read his post yet, read it:
Roary's post.

 

[Takethis202]

I honestly have NO idea what any of these acronyms stand for.

 

[Alex12345]

I honestly have NO idea what any of these acronyms stand for.

maybe if you could list the ones you don't know, people could help you?..

 

[Lean]

My response had more to do with the fact that he didn't actually address the suggestion at all. No one particularly cares what he did/didn't come to sythe to see.


I think that there is a huge difference between posting legitimate pornography(totally deserving of a month+ ban) and posting a sexually provocative picture(maybe a warning, followed by a three day ban if its outside of the sf). There could be a note that nsfw pictures aren't allowed outside of the spam forum and can result in "x" I can almost guarantee something like this is bound to come up again in the future given the audience this site generally appeals too.

My point is that while it may not be safe for work, it still isn't really pornography and doesn't need to be treated as harshly.


edit: Also I haven't seen any compelling evidence that TPM was warned by anyone, there is a difference between a warning and saying "eh, you should probably stop." Even Roary said that he didn't necessarily have to stop. Also the notion that a girl in a bikini could actually cloud a staff members judgement is laughable. I really don't think the pictures had anything to do with the outcomes of those reports whatsoever.

My statement wasn't irrelevant at all, i'm stating i don't come to sythe to look at pictures of girls. Which i'm sure i'm not the only person who feels that way. It's completely relevant to the OP's post. If you want to see girls half nude, get a GF or go to a porn site, this isn't the place.

 

My statement wasn't irrelevant at all, i'm stating i don't come to sythe to look at pictures of girls. Which i'm sure i'm not the only person who feels that way. It's completely relevant to the OP's post. If you want to see girls half nude, get a GF or go to a porn site, this isn't the place.

Actually agree with Leanbean on this one.
Sythe is a black market trading site. Not a site to post/look at semi-naked women.

 

[Cas]

My statement wasn't irrelevant at all, i'm stating i don't come to sythe to look at pictures of girls. Which i'm sure i'm not the only person who feels that way. It's completely relevant to the OP's post. If you want to see girls half nude, get a GF or go to a porn site, this isn't the place.

Totally agree with you here.
I don't think anybody here gets on Sythe to check if more girl pics have been uploaded

 

I agree that a month is too long and should be lowered.
Though I find the ban length should be to the staffs discretion, what was posted (hardcore, softcore, nip slip or whatever) and how many times the user has posted it. with bans ranging from a week to three weeks. (ban length is to be discussed.)

Irrelevant?

Spam? Yes.

 

My statement wasn't irrelevant at all, i'm stating i don't come to sythe to look at pictures of girls. Which i'm sure i'm not the only person who feels that way. It's completely relevant to the OP's post. If you want to see girls half nude, get a GF or go to a porn site, this isn't the place.

It kind of was, the thread wasn't really a question asking about how you feel about seeing pictures of girls in threads. It was a suggestion having to do with there being some kind of distinction between someone posting a picture that someone interprets as being nsfw, and someone posting full fledged pornography/nudes.

Actually agree with Leanbean on this one.
Sythe is a black market trading site. Not a site to post/look at semi-naked women.

The discussion was never about how you feel about seeing such images, its already apparently against the rules to post images like that outside of the spam forum.

Totally agree with you here.
I don't think anybody here gets on Sythe to check if more girl pics have been uploaded

Sigh

I agree that a month is too long and should be lowered.
Though I find the ban length should be to the staffs discretion, what was posted (hardcore, softcore, nip slip or whatever) and how many times the user has posted it. with bans ranging from a week to three weeks. (ban length is to be discussed.)

I agree that a month seems excessive in this case. Again, the problem leaving it completely open to interpretation is that someone originally made it a permanent ban, and then N4N0 (arbitrarily) made it to a one month ban. If there was just a little side note that nsfw pictures would result in a week ban after the first warning this would be taken care of completely.

Spam? Yes.

Just because it was short doesn't make it spam. I was responding directly to him hoping that it would illicit a response, I had already posted my feelings on the subject at that point. If you honestly think that it was an attempt to spam or increase my post count feel free to remove or whatever else is necessary. I could have posted "Please look at the original post, you neglected to respond to the actual suggestion" but it wouldn't have been any different if I did.


edit: While I disagree with you I'll still respect that all you did was post a profile warning. In the future I'll keep it to a sentence or two minimum.

Guys this isnt a ban discussion of TPM, his situation is what inspired this suggestion and was used as a comparison.

Finally, yes!

The suggestion is if someone repeats it outside the SF section, they should be given a warning then a 3 day/1 week ban, not a month.

In the end I believe it's the moderator's decision on the ban duration, which would depend on how many times it was done, he was warned and how far they went.

Without bringing the conversation back to the topic of TPM's ban this being an issue is what spawned this suggestion. Originally the moderator that issued the ban made it permanent, with N4N0 seemingly arbitrarily bumping it down to a month long ban. And I'm sure the ban length would be different from every single moderator on the forums. A simple addition saying that nsfw pictures in general outside of the sf are a 3-5 day ban would at least set some kind of standard for moderators to refer to. And it would STILL be the moderators decision whether to classify something as a nsfw image or pornography.

It's just unnecessary posting it anywhere aside from the spam forum, unless there was a thread that mentions in the title about the possible contents of the thread. At least then people would know what to expect, but obviously it wouldnt show any nudity.

While I personally don't have any problem with it I'll go ahead and agree, it could be kind of awkward in public situations. As long as the thread title had a warning I'd say its allowable but that complicates things. Better to just keep it in the SF.

I couldnt have said what Roary said better, if anyone hasnt read his post yet, read it:

Roary's post.[/QUOTE]

 

[BGlave]

Can we stop with the ban discussion? He was asked to stop and said he would in his dispute and continued to do so.

When I view reports I don't expect to see half naked women. Keep it professional. I live with my family still and I wouldn't want them to see this shit. If I wanted to see half naked girls or some shit I wouldn't be on sythe.

He's testing staff by continuing this.

 

To make this very clear. ThePrestigedMuzza was temporarily banned for posting semi-nude pictures, for which he was asked to stop. As he continued, he was banned as per our Pornography ruling.

I'm sick of him being dragged into every other post so...:

Any posts about ThePrestigedMuzza from this point forward will be infracted.
This is a suggestion thread, not a ban discussion thread. If you really want to discuss his banning, go to "Where did [name here] go?" or to the "Spam Forum"

 

[Belumoth]

Can we stop with the ban discussion?

Continues to discuss the ban.


Anyway OT:

Why are people worried that it's NSFW (Not Safe For Work)? You are at work... You should be working. Not scrolling through Sythe.
You're in public? So get off Sythe and do whatever you intend on doing in public.
You're with company? Don't be rude to the friends around you and ignore them while you "make one last trade".

PG rated movies have more suggestive scenes than modeling pictures. Yet those movies can be played in grade school.

There is definitely a grey area and it needs to be fixed.