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Hmm I don't agree completely, yes parents should have the duty to take care of their kids but shouldn't be held solely repsonsible for their actions
[Sythe] Underage Gambling - Ethically okay for sythe?
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Hmm I don't agree completely, yes parents should have the duty to take care of their kids but shouldn't be held solely repsonsible for their actions
You seem to be insinuating that it's scythe's duty to in part look after people's children, do go on
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You seem to be insinuating that it's scythe's duty to in part look after people's children, do go on
Well we do when we enforce our 'no scam' method etc...
You seem to be insinuating that it's scythe's duty to in part look after people's children, do go on
You didn't address this quote. I'm not sure why you brought up scamming.
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A little background on myself:
When I was in high school, I would bring dice to school and gamble with anyone who was balls enough to wager 'x' amount of dollars with the risk of suspension if you were to be caught in the act. I was never caught and had quite a fantastic time when someone would challenge me if they were feeling lucky. I graduated high school as the valedictorian and went on to one of the best colleges in the nation. I knew odds and made money because I knew how to mentally calculate real-time outcomes of dice. I am on my way to becoming a professional Texas Hold 'Em player because of this ability that I realized I had at age eleven.
Back to the topic:
My arguement is that if an agreement between two individuals to wager something of value is reliant upon an event free of interference between the individuals and/or a third party and that has an unsure outcome, then it is completely, in its whole, morally and ethically acceptable at any age.
I do, however, believe individuals should develop a mental process that alerts them to "Know when to stop before you start."
Some stipulations on this should be something like, "you shouldn't wager something of value you don't own or possess yourself."
Feedback, please?
When I was in high school, I would bring dice to school and gamble with anyone who was balls enough to wager 'x' amount of dollars with the risk of suspension if you were to be caught in the act. I was never caught and had quite a fantastic time when someone would challenge me if they were feeling lucky. I graduated high school as the valedictorian and went on to one of the best colleges in the nation. I knew odds and made money because I knew how to mentally calculate real-time outcomes of dice. I am on my way to becoming a professional Texas Hold 'Em player because of this ability that I realized I had at age eleven.
Back to the topic:
My arguement is that if an agreement between two individuals to wager something of value is reliant upon an event free of interference between the individuals and/or a third party and that has an unsure outcome, then it is completely, in its whole, morally and ethically acceptable at any age.
I do, however, believe individuals should develop a mental process that alerts them to "Know when to stop before you start."
Some stipulations on this should be something like, "you shouldn't wager something of value you don't own or possess yourself."
Feedback, please?
Jesus Christ, can you stop spelling Sythe* incorrectly, there's a gigantic banner that shows you how to type it among many other visible examples.
If your kid goes to school and talks to his friends about violence, chances are you wont take them out of the facility just because he's being exposed to the public.
why do you state we ( "Well we do )?
you don't enforce anything, and i've never seen you post a scam report. Even more you have a trade with caution rank. so please, explain to me how you enforce it? Only people who enforce it are mods+. You do nothing.
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You fucking high?
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1626521-mikebots-evadeception.html
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1626261-re-donniebk-report-requesting-ip-ban.html
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1626152-kmjt-impostor-found-twc-club.html
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1626148-new-member-my-twc-club-jaypg.html
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1625480-triple-beam-self-vouch-ban-evader.html
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1626224-jaypg-offsite-scammer.html
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1626231-another-new-members-twc-club-beautifuul.html
Those are this week alone.
These don't even include the 40+ Accounts i've gotton banned from serial evaders whilst I was banned and getting others to post for me, some examples bellow;
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1616931-spec4k00.html
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer...ltiple-self-voucher-potential-ban-evader.html
So WE WE WE WE .... -.-
What makes gambling morally ethical for 18+ that doesn't apply to minors?
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@funbox, my activity within report a scammer section is that of an autistic kid, can't believe you said that lol..
Weak argument, that's like saying what makes drinking alcohol/driving/smoking/gun ownership okay for adults and not minors.
Weak argument, that's like saying what makes drinking alcohol/driving/smoking/gun ownership okay for adults and not minors.
Weak response, you didn't answer my question. I'm looking for a genuine answer, what makes gambling morally acceptable for 18 year olds but not 17 year olds?
Miss-Characterization. He's talking about morality. Why are any of those things morally acceptable for people who have existed out of the womb for 18.00 rotations around the sun vs people how have existed out of the womb for 17.99 rotations around the sun.
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I didn't read through the 2nd page, but hopefully I have a grasp on what you're trying to say.
Drinking alcohol is bad for the health, obviously. There was research and it's common sense that a growing body and mind should not consume alcohol. In children/teens below 18, it could have negative effects on the brain. Damaging it basically. Driving and gun ownership? You're comparing the possibility of being able to kill with gambling? Anyone a few years under 18 are normally reckless, especially boys.
You just compared being able to kill due to carelessness and damaging your body with gambling.
Here's my take. I don't see a problem with gambling in teens. They eventually get taught the rules of risk and reward. I feel it would be better they lose now and possibly learn a lesson while they're young, than when they finally have a job and money to gamble away. Teens on Sythe don't possess a lot of money, and gambling is fine as long as they don't go over the top, but who are we to set a limit?
I'm not saying it's a good thing for them to start gambling nor am I saying it's a bad thing, but I've learned my fair share about it. I'm glad I did "gambling" when I was younger, when I lost little when compared to what I have now.
The most likely reason a casino has an age limit is to keep out the children/teens. Who likes to gamble with a bunch of teens being annoying. I don't believe it's there to prevent the teens from being able to gamble, because they can do that anywhere with anyone at a smaller scale obviously, but they won't have much to bet anyway without a job.
For alcohol and cigarettes, a teen cannot legally purchase them. It's illegal to get someone older to buy it for you. It has a negative effect on your body.
Drinking alcohol is bad for the health, obviously. There was research and it's common sense that a growing body and mind should not consume alcohol. In children/teens below 18, it could have negative effects on the brain. Damaging it basically. Driving and gun ownership? You're comparing the possibility of being able to kill with gambling? Anyone a few years under 18 are normally reckless, especially boys.
You just compared being able to kill due to carelessness and damaging your body with gambling.
Here's my take. I don't see a problem with gambling in teens. They eventually get taught the rules of risk and reward. I feel it would be better they lose now and possibly learn a lesson while they're young, than when they finally have a job and money to gamble away. Teens on Sythe don't possess a lot of money, and gambling is fine as long as they don't go over the top, but who are we to set a limit?
I'm not saying it's a good thing for them to start gambling nor am I saying it's a bad thing, but I've learned my fair share about it. I'm glad I did "gambling" when I was younger, when I lost little when compared to what I have now.
The most likely reason a casino has an age limit is to keep out the children/teens. Who likes to gamble with a bunch of teens being annoying. I don't believe it's there to prevent the teens from being able to gamble, because they can do that anywhere with anyone at a smaller scale obviously, but they won't have much to bet anyway without a job.
For alcohol and cigarettes, a teen cannot legally purchase them. It's illegal to get someone older to buy it for you. It has a negative effect on your body.
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Answer:
You don't generate an income under the age of 18 that is considered suitable.
Now i'm not going to debate the many 15 year old millionaires out there, i'm merely speaking in a general sense, considering those under 18 receive less wage on average considering they aren't eligible for high paid jobs due to lack of experience and well child slavery prohibitions. To think a society that would accept addicting habits to be accepted amongst those who have not completely developed psychologically would be un-ethical.
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I mentioned they don't earn enough to show that they are more at risk with addiction considering they have allot more to loose then say someone with a sturdy income trying his luck for entertainment every now and then..
You don't generate an income under the age of 18 that is considered suitable.
Now i'm not going to debate the many 15 year old millionaires out there, i'm merely speaking in a general sense, considering those under 18 receive less wage on average considering they aren't eligible for high paid jobs due to lack of experience and well child slavery prohibitions. To think a society that would accept addicting habits to be accepted amongst those who have not completely developed psychologically would be un-ethical.
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I mentioned they don't earn enough to show that they are more at risk with addiction considering they have allot more to loose then say someone with a sturdy income trying his luck for entertainment every now and then..
Once again, you resort to a slippery slope argument. You are using age for your reason, not a reason as to why gambling is immoral. If you are going to make the argument, it has to be true for all ages in this instance. The age 18 is completely arbitrary, if you are against gambling for 17 year olds, what changes when the next day they are 18? You have to have a valid premise to make that conclusion.
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Looks like you're going from 1 argument to the next, instead of backing up your initial ones.
Let me simplify:
15 year old with no income has a few tens, maybe a hundred. Gambles and loses it.
15 year old with a job getting $1.5k a month, much more to gamble with. But if there was a 15 year old with a job, it's them saving for their wants.
You don't learn a lesson from gambling when you have wants and no needs because your parents take care of your needs.
My point is they aren't "wise" enough to make the decision whether to gamble or not, but if it's not costing them hundreds of hours of work, then there's no problem. They learn from experience losing what may be a lot to them, but not much to an adult. When you hit 18, doesn't necessarily have to be 18, you usually look back at your life and the stupid mistakes because you were too stupid to see. We all have done something of that sort.
Addicting habits where they don't have much to lose? Anyone on Sythe that is 15 is provided with shelter and food. It's not like they're gambling next month's rent, or this month's electricity bill away. If anything, it would be their lunch money where they'd suffer. Not much suffering, but enough to learn a lesson eventually. They'd gamble away the need for a single meal.
In the end it's their choice, they can gamble in school, they can gamble with their siblings, or on the internet. Their parents may or may not approve, but who are we to stop them? It's the internet.
I'll give you something to think about for your next post. Why are you against underage gambling? A teen could gamble with friends in school, at their house, when they hang out, pretty much anywhere as long as they hold cash. They don't pay for their needs. So they gamble away their wants, it's a risk they take. The difference between wants and needs to a teen and an adult on Sythe aren't the same.
I haven't seen a proper response from you except pointing out that places have age limits. All I see is comparison with something completely unrelated, which you choose to relate to because they have an age limit on them as well.
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Actually i'm on the side to remove the whole fucking thing from sythe
I'm just consciously against gambling all together especially for those underage, and I think they found a method to bypass restrictions prohibiting them to being exposed to the addiction. I understand it's the internet and the anonymity it will provide kids, but it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth knowing it's around here, i'm not a make or break, i actually enjoy the conversations we are having however I will always support a removal of dicing from sythe but whilst it's here I really care not for those using it just would like some precations being made such as this sticky;
http://www.sythe.org/dice-competiti...-jurisdiction-first-before-entering-comp.html
In order to make the argument that people under 18 should not be allowed to gamble on Sythe, you have to make the argument for why people who are 18 or older SHOULD be allowed to gamble. Otherwise, your argument over age completely falls apart because 18 is just your opinion, if I say they should be 20, you have to argue as to why a 19 year old should be allowed to gamble.
Your "arguments" in your original post once again, have no logical basis.
1. Deterrence from using the site if they lose a lot
This is a circular argument. Users have to make a conscious decision to gamble, it is not forced upon them. Their deterrence would be a cause of their own actions, not a fault of the site itself. Second, there is a balance here. Even if one user (the loser) was deterred from using the site, the other user (the winner) would be encouraged to use the site. So one user is $50 deterred, another user is $50 dollars encouraged. In the end, the usage of Sythe.org is not a moral thing at all, so this is not an argument in the first place. Even if it was, it is a self-contradicting one.
2. Addiction- A small group of people who are addicted do not get to govern those who are responsible. For example, just because Joe sleeps in a gutter every night in his own vomit and urine, drunk out of his skull, doesn't mean that I can't enjoy a beer and watch a ball game, or have a glass of champagne on new years. People have to be responsible for themselves. Just because 1 person commits suicide by jumping off of a building means we should tear down all existing buildings for the safety of the public?
3. Scams- It was hard to choose which of your aguments was the shittiest, but I'm going to go with this one. So user X scams whilst gambling, you call for the removal of gambling because it allows users the opportunity to scam. User Y scams whilst trading, why do you not call for the removal of the market sections because it allows users the opportunity to scam?
Your "arguments" in your original post once again, have no logical basis.
1. Deterrence from using the site if they lose a lot
This is a circular argument. Users have to make a conscious decision to gamble, it is not forced upon them. Their deterrence would be a cause of their own actions, not a fault of the site itself. Second, there is a balance here. Even if one user (the loser) was deterred from using the site, the other user (the winner) would be encouraged to use the site. So one user is $50 deterred, another user is $50 dollars encouraged. In the end, the usage of Sythe.org is not a moral thing at all, so this is not an argument in the first place. Even if it was, it is a self-contradicting one.
2. Addiction- A small group of people who are addicted do not get to govern those who are responsible. For example, just because Joe sleeps in a gutter every night in his own vomit and urine, drunk out of his skull, doesn't mean that I can't enjoy a beer and watch a ball game, or have a glass of champagne on new years. People have to be responsible for themselves. Just because 1 person commits suicide by jumping off of a building means we should tear down all existing buildings for the safety of the public?
3. Scams- It was hard to choose which of your aguments was the shittiest, but I'm going to go with this one. So user X scams whilst gambling, you call for the removal of gambling because it allows users the opportunity to scam. User Y scams whilst trading, why do you not call for the removal of the market sections because it allows users the opportunity to scam?
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1.Allot of deterrence from sythe has been due to people loosing money, whether it's scams or hacks but thats a main thing, this is just a contributing factor
2. I was making the argument that addiction can be created, and it's just kids using the system so we are getting those under 18 to gamble develop an early addiction.... again not a main reason why but a contributing factor.... Just because trent likes to suck guys off for money to feed his heroin addiction doesn't mean i shouldn't shoot up every now and then?? We regulate alcohol so that people drink responsibly, we also regulate gambling which before my concerns were raised we had no form of regulation nor care what people did..
3. Again just adding a contributing factor not 'remove because of scams, but remove cause it's doing allot of bad such as scams..'
It doesn't matter, does it make it immoral? No.
Still not a moral argument, people drown in water, should we regulate that as well?
If you are going to make the argument to remove gambling because of scams, you have to make the argument that trading should be removed because of scams as well
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All you did was repost your reasons, not justify them. None of your reasons have any moral grounds, and you STILL haven't addressed how you would defend a 19 year old's right to gamble on the site if someone were to claim that people under 20 on the site shouldn't be allowed to gamble.
Your arguments (with the exception of #2, which only hinges on everyone needing someone to control them because people apparently can't be responsible for themselves) are still targeted towards gambling as a whole, not towards an age group
