SVU Requirements

Basically it's been pointed out requiring more details would be tough. So:

* Change the name so it isn't misleading
* Get rid of it

Thoughts?






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I think the whole SVU tag needs to be revamped.

It seems as though it doesn't mean much to be a SVU anymore. It seems quite easy to provide a free phone number from Pinger or any other free app on the app store. Any 5$ for a new tag that to new members seem very trustworthy seems a bit cheap. Look at this from a perspective of a newcomer. They see a 25$ donor, big whoop, but when they see that he is a Sythe Verified User, that can sometimes mean in their minds that Sythe has personally verified them or that they have more trust than they actually do.

So I'm proposing there should be more requirements / a heavier fee. What requirements? More IRL details. More proof of you. Most of these details would be for Sythe to keep itself, and not release in the event of a scam, unless deemed it should be? And the fee, certainly more than 5$. I personally think you must be a 50-100$ donor to become SVU, along with another 50-100$ fee to become a SVU. It's a tag that should be seen with more trust than it is. Newcomers see it as good, while the rest of us see a new 25$ donor and SVU as a evader or scammer.

If you have any piggyback ideas, please feel free, I'm just getting the idea out there as I think this would be something worth investing time into.

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Premise and reasoning behind this suggestion:

Please read my ENTIRE response below before anyone attempts to rebut this.

The way Sythe Verified User is set up at the moment is very misleading. The premise is based around the idea that, for a small minimal fee of 5$ and already being a 25$ donor, you can provide marginal personal details in order to gain a form of trust. In the event that user scams, the victim will be provided with a certain amount of IRL details. So your stance is that the IRL details already provided, albeit usually faked, should be scraped altogether.

In addition, here is why this is an issue. People see the title "Sythe Verified User" and see more trust than there actually is. To many newcomer's eyes, they see that as meaning that that particular person is a trusted trader and is verified by the website to trade. Now certainly you can make the argument that they need to read the rules, but let's he honest, the rules are a form of Terms and Conditions. Who actually reads those? I'd say its a safe bet to say the vast majority of newcomers do NOT read the rules initially. So instead of being reactive and saying they should read them after they get scammed, let's be proactive and refine the rank so that it is not misleading.

Now, onto the suggestions part. I feel that the following changes should be made exactly for the reasons I will list after them:

* Changing the name: As detailed above, this is an extremely misleading title. Now I'm no expert at making titles or anything sound or look good, but it should be changed to something more accurate. The title "verified" should only be kept if they actually are indeed verified, with a good sum of money paid down, a few IRL details provided, etc. Taking the route that this will be too difficult, not desirable, etc., then the rank title should be changed. A couple words I quickly ran across that may potentially fit would be:
- Sythe Supported User
- Sythe Established User
- Sythe Documented User
And there are plenty more, those are just a few to suggest

* Changing the fee: There are numerous reasons to do this. First and foremost, changing the fee will act as a deterrent to potential scammers. While it doesn't have to be anything like 200$, a simple 25$ or 50$ fee will go a long way to preventing scammers.

* Upping the requirements: With a title like this, it is meant to give trust to people. So why are they able to obtain it immediately for so cheap? This is why I propose the 2 following requirements:
- Must be at least a 50$ or 100$ donator (of course up for discussion)
- Must be a member of Sythe for 6 months (could change amount)
The donator requirement is because to donate 100$ and in turn scam is less likely. While it certainly does still happen, this will cut down the numbers of SVU users that do scam. The 6 month requirement is so that they get a feel for the market, and are allowed an opportunity to obtain vouches. Why should they be allowed to get a rank that should be seen with some trust immediately after joining the site? They shouldn't, hence a reasonable waiting period, to again, weed out the scammers who would otherwise purchase it.

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tl;dr

Change the rank name so its not misleading, or up the requirements.

 

How would this new system be implemented?

Who would accept the information and deem it "worthy" to be approved?

Surely not Richard by himself, and Surely not the Admin's who have stuff on the admin list to be implemented from Last year.

 

Granted these are questions that need to be answered. Here is my input:

Have a system that requires much more than just a fake phone number lol. What kind of system? Not sure.

Who would accept it? It would, ideally, be a form that an admin would check. If the fee was raised significantly, that would significantly lower the the amount put in. Especially if the application isn't simple and requires actual info.

 

I agree that it needs an overhaul. It's too easy for a scammer to donate $25 to get SVU and scam for a much larger amount with absolutely no recourse

 

There needs to be more Sythe Verification Levels

Verification Level 1 ($25) Donor- Phone Number.
Verification Level 2 ($50) or ($100) Donor- Driver License.
Verification Level 3 ($100) or ($200) or ($300) Donor- Passport/SSN.

What do you guys think?

 

Completely agree with first two. Do not agree with SSN at all. I myself would not be ok with releasing this, incase od database leaks or the like. Passport? Possibly.. Though in a sense a drivers license is the same imo?

Verification Level 1 (50$ donor requirement) -- 50$ fee

Requires:
* Phone Number
* IRL full name
* Verified PP donation confirming your full name

Verification Level 2 (100$ donor requirement) -- 50$ additional fee (100$ total)

Requires:
* All above info
* Drivers license with sufficient proof that is you

Verification Level 3 (300$ donor requirement) - 100$ additional fee (200$ total)

Requires:
This is where I get stuck. Not a whole else you can require. Potentially contact details to parents? guardian? Not sure tbh.

Any thoughts?

 

well for verification level 3 contact details to parents/guardian all that not every one on sythe is that young to live with a parent or guardian.

 

^^^ This

 

I'm Australian and 99% sure we don't have SSN's.

 

I support this, I think it's about time we make having a SVU tag a symbol of trust and not just decoration.

 

I think the system should just be removed altogether. Maybe give all the SVU's a minirank or donor credit for participating instead of the SVU rank and stop accepting new members.

 

Agreed. I was a little shocked by how simple the process was when I did it myself. All it does is confuse others into thinking you were manually verified by the site, giving new members a false sense of trust.

 

I am completely supportive of a rework of the SVU requirements. However, I will never support staff having personal information such as SSN/Passports. Moreover, I don't think this should be a staff issue but rather something sent out to a third party site such as Jumio. This isn't a advertisement for them, I just know sites like Airbnb and others use them. If you are curious create an account on AirBnb account and see how they handle the verification system. They already knew my SSN, past towns, car I drove, etc without me ever telling them. I would support a system like that but at this time I would strongly object to any staff member having my SSN. No offense but in a website with scammers we don't need to give anyone the tools/information needed to compete identity theft.

 

The SVU is absolutely useless, I can get a fake phone number/use a phone store number and with the drivers license I could get a 1:1 for 100$ on the internet that's identical with the real ones a $40-50 one that would suffice to pass the svu verification, imho it's just another rank users have that make them look better.

 

I like 1 & 2 but I feel like 3 would just be pushing it. Let's be honest: if you've already provided all that info, donated over 300$, and probably have numerous vouches, you don't really need another form of verification to be more trusted.

 

I was thinking about this but never had any ideas, but SVU is pointless today because the new members buy SVU and end up scamming and nothing happens to them.

 

I agree, this actually would be a very good idea.

 

I agree with Superman

 

I agree, I do not give any credit to seeing someone with SVU anymore. When they are a brand new user who joined a month ago I actually see them as less trusted when they have it

 

I agree with Bogan's suggestion mostly.

Different tiers would be useful. And although some people are uncomfortable submitting their ID, I think it is a great security measure. On multiple goldsites I work on, buyers who willingly submit ID are often legit, whereas those who don't often request a refund and then go and chargeback scam elsewhere.

Although it would suck for the younger members, only accepting ID from those of 18+ years of age would be great. It'd cut down on the popularity of the rank, and hopefully reduce impulsive and immature teens who find it too tempting to scamquit.

I'm not very experienced on this site, and saying that I completely support OP's point that it is very misleading. I did in fact at one time believe SVU was rewarded to certain members, which I bet is a common assumption.