Feminism

Just kind of curious as to what you guys think about feminism. I'm kind of torn on the issue myself as I see some major problem with feminist rhetoric however the general idea of gender equality is a good ideal. Some specific things I disagree with are that inequality that men experience is just as prevalent just in different forms. There isn't much else I really want to put in OP so i'll just let you guys get to it.

General feminism thread go

 

This pretty much sums up what sort of equality the feminazis want:

http://motorcitymuckraker.com/2014/...e-canceled-at-doubletree-in-downtown-detroit/

 

Not every feminist is a feminazi, you know.

 

Feminism has become one of those dual terms, because there is the literal definition and the social groups who label themselves as "feminists". Because equality of the sexes is a facet of a broader sense of human rights, the former has become redundant in most of the Western world because of legislation protecting equal rights.

The "social movement" definition of feminism/feminists, if you want to call it that, is just another extremist group using males as a scapegoat under the guise of equality for women. The entire notion is some absurd fallacy where somehow, women are oppressed, yet equal.

 

The feminist movement has been a huge joke from the start. Let's empower women and make them get a job, profit = made, 2x as many people to tax. When did you last hear a feminist speech where the main subject wasn't "men have to...". Link me a few if you don't mind.

 

It's a movement that has gone radical. They had one strong point to their whole campaign, and that was the objectification of women. The portrayal of women being viewed as objects is unfortunately true, but irreversible.

 

Might I ask why you largely discredit/ignore the aspect of activism for a cultural change (what you referred to as "second wave feminism")?

 

Modern feminism is a meritless philosophy. Every major talking point can be easily refuted. Basically turning nothing into something.

 

I completely agree, gender is not a social construct. Inequality of women and inferior social status based on gender is a social construct. One which, when fully acknowledged, served as a catalyst for housewives and mothers to act against predetermined social roles and root for a cultural paradigm shift.

Note: Please don't misinterpret the tone of this conversation. I concur that modern feminism is a movement that has gone far beyond its roots and original intentions and become a, more or less, empty movement. Simply playing devil's advocate here for the sake of exploring all possible angles and opinions.

 

Modern feminism is complete bullshit. It's based on theory that is unverifiable and unfalsifiable which means it is not scientific and can be ignored and discarded without any thought.

 

I see most of you lean towards feminism being bullshit so I guess I should ask what are some issues you guys think need to be addressed?

Personally I think that one major issue is the way illegitimate children are handled. I think that if two people who are not married have a bastard child the man should not be legally responsible in any way for that child.

 

Both parents are equally responsible but both should be equally able to bow out permanently from the child.

 

Atm the woman can dump the child at any point no question asked, but if she decides to keep it then she can milk the man for the next 18+ years. So I have to agree with your point. A man should have an option to give up on all of his rights towards the child and by doing that not having to pay any alimony. That would be a fair thing to do but women would never agreed to this just as a farmer would never agree with setting his cattle free.

 

It takes two to create life. You want to erase a factor in the production to satisfy a specific group. How exactly is that fair?

 

What of the right to vote?

 

Women have the option to opt out, men don't. How is giving men the same option satisfing a specific group and not making it equal? Women choose the men not the other way around. Getting pregnant from the right man is pretty much like winning a loto since you are set for life. Do you really think this is okay? A man will almost never say "no" to a woman because we are just built like that. It's the job of the woman to find the right man. But atm a woman can choose any man because she knows that the state has her back. This is unfair and has to change!

 

Women have the option to opt out because they're the one bearing the child within. They will always have the advantage in deciding whether the child lives on, or dies. You want to blame women for manipulation? We're blinded by lust, and this is the unfortunate price we have to pay. The laws need to be more lenient towards the fathers, but other than that it's tough luck. Want to avoid all of this? Have males be more protective.