Are male superior over women?

Basically the title.

Should men have the ability to "tell' woman/his woman what to do, and what to wear ETC.

Discuss.

 

No. Biologically, men are more physically powerfully/physically built, which means that since the beginning of time, men have been 'protectors' and 'breadwinners' because they were able to fend off predators and do more physical labor. In modern times, this isn't necessarily the case anymore in industrialized countries where protection comes in the form of a handgun, and a large part of the labor market is available to females.

 

It depends on the culture... For example, in most countries in the Middle East, women have less rights than men have.

 

Good input. But yet. You still claim that men are more powerful, hence, they are superior over woman. Men have higher paying job's than in most cases.

 

He's asking if they should be equal, not if they are or not.

The answer is yes. Patriarchy is an out dated concept and has no business in the modern world.

 

Uhh? I'm pretty sure he's asking if whether or not men should have the ability to "tell' woman/his woman what to do and not if they should be equal...

 

Which is an issue of equality..

If a man has the right to order around "his" women, then they are not equals.

 

Which brings us back to my original post: It all depends on the culture of where you're from. There is no "right" answer.

 

everyone is equal !!

 

Yes there is. Cultures change from generation to generation. Small changes, big changes, backwards changes, forwards changes, fast changes, slow changes... you get the idea. Women, in the last 30 years or so, have enjoyed more freedom and equal opportunities under the law, globally, than they have since before Mesopotamia when there really wasn't much 'law' anyway. So just because certain cultures believe women are inferior doesn't make that belief correct.

Women are humans, just as men are. They're born, learn, grow, think, imagine, dream, love and die just as men do. They bare children and raise children and can tend to the family just as well as any man can. People have spoken of men having superior strength than women, but for how many centuries now has that not mattered? The modern would was built through exploration, innovation, imagination and yes with the labor of both men AND women. They have the same capacity of intelligence, of leadership, of empathy, of sympathy, of love and yes even anger, hatred, vengeance, deceitfulness and war.

Many have probably learned about "Hunter's and Gatherer's" while in school. Over the years our knowledge of anthropology has evolved and so has this term. It's now more appropriately said as "Gatherer's and Hunter's" because early humans did a lot more gathering than they did hunting. Both men and women gathered supplies for the collective or tribe or community and if you think, throughout all of human history, there was never one female who ever went on a hunting trip, you'd be sadly delusional.

Women have helped shape and construct this world and keep our species thriving just as much as men have. There is no logical or reasonable reason why any woman should ever believe herself to be inferior to a man or subject to him. Longstanding traditions in some parts of the world keep women from being everything they could be in one way or another and I can just hope one day these cultures will go through fast and radical changes within my lifetime. It would be amazing.

We were, are and shall always be equals by right. It's merely taking some places longer to realize this than others. We'll get there one day though.

 

If you had a company and most of your workers would be women then that would be a gamble compaired to having men only/mostly. The main factor why men are superior to women ON THE JOB MARKET is that men can't get pregnant and that's pretty much it.

Also that "men and women should be equal" is pretty much grap. I think most of you don't even get what that means. For the luls I'd like to read someones input on this. How would the "men and women are equal" look like?

When you look at the criminal system then I don't see women crying over it. If it's a "man Vs woman" case then the woman has a higher chance to win. If a woman kills a man then it's most likely classified as self-defence or she will get a lot smaller sentence than a man would. Basicly some women who are wanting this so called equality just want the pros and no cons of being a man

Not going to happen bro, but cool story.

 

Look at how different the world was between in 1970 from 1900. Between 1970 and today (43 years) there have been probably more changes in the world than those first 70 years in terms of culture modernization. Look at the protests happening in Egypt right now - it's not over women's rights, but largely over human rights. Imagine what could happen within 70 years (my lifetime). You can't. I believe, what many would have considered impossible in 1970 is achievable today. I'm willing to bet many of today's impossibilities will be realities on the day I die.

I'm talking about how women are treated within the law. Your first paragraph has to do with the market value of a work force, which I don't feel is the nature of this topic. I have, honestly, no idea what your second paragraph is about. Your third paragraph isn't even a debate point. It's just a super broad generalization that has nothing to do with equality under the law or with this topic really. Also "women who are wanting this so called equality just want the pros and no cons of being a man" I feel like I remember reading online somewhere within a rage comic or something. Not the best source to use within an argument.

 

Yeah sure we all get wings and sht. This modern culture isn't as free as you might think and when we look at the last 10-15 years then anyone can see that we are not heading towards a society that has more freedoms.

There will always be people who want more power and that won't change. People are very easily corrupted so a near perfect society is impossibru.

You are a fool if you think for a second that you're free. Maybe we don't have to worry about being shot/killed as much as we once did, but there are other stuff such as taxes, laws, corruption etc. Basicly humans are horrible and that's about it. There are so many studies done that show people would do a lot of different stuff if they knew they could get away with it.



Last input on this topic: Men and women aren't equal,

 

"Equal" has no meaning . Does an apple equal a banana? Does black equal white? Does a cat equal a dog?

Those things cannot be equal because, 1, they are different, and 2, they are CATEGORICAL DATA. "Apple" and "banana" are not numerical values, so you cannot compare them in that sense. The same is true when dealing with ethnicity and gender. Men and women cannot be "equal" because they are not like terms. Men and women are different on all levels: biologically, physically, psychologically , I can go on.

I am not disagreeing with you; I am simply playing devil's advocate here. Also, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the Q'uran, but the Q'uran states that "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women)" Source: http://www.multimediaquran.com/quran/004/004-034.htm

Again, it all goes back to what religion you pratice, where you are from, and what the status quo is.

 

Okay..

Equal does have a meaning


Those examples you gave are ridiculous. You can't compare different species of plants and animals in a discussion about equality, because they are exactly what I said, entirely different species. If you want to talk about whether one kind of apple is better than another, make a new thread. Also, black and white are opposites of each other so that's just... no, just no.

I don't even know where to begin... Alright so I'm going to do a super super brief overview of the various areas you've given. There's too much information in each of them to go over everything.

The main biological difference between human males and females are their reproduction roles. Women have different hormone levels, (slight) skeletal structures and muscle development than men because their bodies need to withstand child birth and also care for the child afterwards. Males obviously don't need that, so their bodies developed more towards survival abilities, i.e upper body strength. Women tend to be more attracted to men who they feel could be a better protector so that their children survive. The definition of "protector" has changed over the millennia, but I won't go into that. So yes, they are different in that respect, but they both play an equal role in the survival of the species because without one you cannot have the other. We are of equal value within the species.

So that touched on the physical differences enough I think. Now, there are some biologically psychological difference between men and women, but most psychological "ways of thinking" (4am and can't think of a better word or phrase) is due to nurture, or how the child was raised, and not because of their gender.

Ethnicity has little to do with anything. A male born on the southern tip of Chile can have a child with a woman born in the most remote village in China. The physical differences between those two humans just has to do with the environment their ancestors evolved in. Any biological changes are so minute there is basically no effect on the child.

So anyway, it's late and my mind is starting to drift. My point is, men and women are equal because while we have different roles within the species, we have the same levels of contribution potential within the society and so that's why I believe men and women are equals.

I'm not going near the Q'uran topic you brought up because I am not well schooled in religion at all, but I also don't find conversations that have to do with a supreme being dictating what's what to be very comprehensive - so I just stay away.

G'night..

 

Back in the days, we have witnessed how male have suppressed women in the society ( in the 15th and in the 16th century ), where women cannot be allowed in drama shows, and women can't even talk back to men. Now, in 21st century, there still are countries where women are still restricted from doing so many things.
Why can't people realise that they both should be treated equally? Gone are the days where only man can have power, women can have it too.

 

Aww hell naw.
In a relationship I don't think anyone should be the boss or "wear the pants"
There needs to be some rules for both the man and woman like the obvious "If you're mine, you need to stay loyal"
It wouldn't be fair at all if the men (or women) made all the rules in the relationship with their spouse having no say over it.
They should have equal thoughts so that they feel like they are in a fair relationship :love: ​

 

It's not about who's the boss, or which one is the superior gender. It's about realization. Women should realize that we're not the same, be it mentally or biologically. We were never meant to be equal. Don't get me wrong, I don't approve of the way men treat women in the Middle East. It's just that we should be able to accept the facts and be ok with it. I would never say something derogatory or treat a woman in a different way than I treat men but when they start a conversation about gender qualities I will not lie. Each one of us must be able put up with his advantages and shortcomings, and I'm not talking solely about gender-dependent variables.

As for discrimination, men are as discrimanated as women are, but we're straying off the subject so I'll leave it at that.

 

in a lot of ways, yes we are. but we should be civilized enough to treat everyone equally, man or woman.

 

Men are naturally stronger, and so traditionally men were superior as they rode in to battle, claimed territory, ruled kingdoms, hunted, carried out all manual labour.. and the woman was the home-keeper who brought up the children.

But modern times say different. Men are no longer sole rulers, women have more rights and modern living environments are much different. For example, there are far more stay-at-home dads etc.

There are still limitations upon women, though. For example, the glass ceiling they fall victim to. But as time goes on, much like the events of the past (suffragettes, equality act etc) we will become more and more equal.