[DO NOT ARCHIVE] Anthony1994 & Sebulase

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Sebaluse Profile

Early last month I purchased an account, it was a main/staker and below you can see the thread;

Code:

http://www.sythe.org/runescape-2007-accounts/1672670-200-donator-svu-100-vouches-s-amazing-staker-account-paypal-07-gp-4yr-member.html

After working out a nice deal for both of us, Anthony added a gentlemen into the skype call called "Ty Jones" aka "Sebaluse" who was the one that actually had the account. So to simplify that, Anthony was "selling" an accout on behalf of "Ty", now looking into one of Sebaluse recent scam's, he add's in a user to a skype call pretending to be somebody else in order to gain trust into them going first, so to my understanding there is a link..

I have had the account for over a month, perfectly fine then all of a sudden the account is "locked" due to either Anthony (previous owner) or Sebaluse attempting to recover it.

Now for the evidence;

I added Anthony to skype and requested him to send me a PM as you can see below;



And just to confirm this is the PM that he sent me on sythe;



Then things got a little tricky, he states here he is actually selling it on "behalf" of somebody;



Now this is where Sebaluse comes in, Anthony links his profile in the chat message below;



Now every time I login to the account I get this because one of the pair have attempted to recover it, unfortunately leading to the account being locked;



Just incase Anthony claims he had nothing to do with the account;



I would like to get this solved, as clearly your both ignoring me on skype so you either owe me a refund, or the account back.

 

Is there anyway that you can upload the full conversation without being cropped down? That would help out a lot!

 

My sincere apologies, I have edited it accordingly. All I am asking for is a rebate (refund), explanation as to why he cannot recover it or the account back. I would like to make note Ant is attempting to sell account's at this point in time, and with this deal dispute on-going I wanted to warn anybody who may get scammed.

 

PM'd Anthony for his input.

 

I sold the account to the user Sebulase who is now banned. Some time later Sebulase told me he no longer needed the account and asked if I could sell it for him. I reopened up the account sales thread in attempt to find him a new buyer. I was initially going to sell the account for Sebulase, but decided it would be safer for me to hand over Sebulase's Skype and let those two deal with it.

I have no idea how much the account was sold to Derby for, or the payment method, as I wasn't present during the trade.

Sebulase and 'Derby' both contacted me around the same time a few days ago asking me to provide more recovery info. I was very suspicious when Sebulase attempted to imposter Derby(Skype/IRL name Jayke).

See here: http://i.gyazo.com/f32bb3b7da05cdbaa78ac44892cd9590.png
Sebulase+Reges IP check: http://i.gyazo.com/b5a42b0e2a355c68d26e6e4cf0b5fe54.png

When Derby and I questioned Sebulase about it, he told us he did it because he thought it was funny. I'll upload proof of this later, Derby will agree that he said that though.

Derby has told me that he has access to the account but it's locked. I suspect this is because Sebulase attempted to recover the account, which is evident when he impersonated Derby and tried to get more info from me as he was unsuccessful the first time.

I'm unsure on whether Jagex will unlock the account as they're probably highly suspicious that 3 IP's (UK/Australia/US) are all trying to recover/unlock the account in such a short period of time. I'm still working with Derby on trying to get the account unlocked.

Throughout this time I've remained cooperative and civil with Derby, yet despite this, he has taken an aggressive approach to resolving this matter. I'm worried that he might do something illegal, like ddosing Sebulase, which is evident below. I also do not appreciate Derby spamming my threads with "scammer - trade with caution" as I've been very cooperative and prompt in helping him.

http://i.imgur.com/rWVnCmM.png

If Derby questions the validity of anything I said, I can upload Skype screenshots. If I upload a screenshot of every bit of every conversation, it'll probably be 100 or so screen shots.

 

If the trade was between you and Sebuluse on the day, Derby, then you have no reason to point this at Anthony.

 

If you read the above, you will see why Anthony is involved in this. Anthony made the sales thread, and at the last minute said "oh this guy has the account", he instigated the deal, he states he is the original owner to sebuluse but then states to me his "friend" used to won it.

Ant has the login details, recovery details and pretty much control over the account.

Still no resolution as regards to getting the account back, refund wanted.

You played a part in selling me a dodgey account, I don't pity you for helping me as this should not of happened in the first place.

 

He is trying to recover it as we speak, and has been.

Can you show me where he stated he was the OG owner.

 

I never told any one I was the original owner. Whether Sebulase told you that, I don't know, but I made it clear to him that I bought it off a friend far before 07 servers were released. I am a previous owner of the account but I wasn't involved in the trade. You went first to him and gave him the gold, I wasn't present in that process at all.

I gave you my advice on the approach we should take in order to have the highest success rate, but despite this, you insisted that I send a recovery email. I have showed Derby the email Jagex sent me and all I can say is that they weren't impressed. Derby didn't believe that the email I received was genuine, I can show Roary on team viewer though.

If you're asking me for a refund, I'm not sure if that's possible, considering I never accepted your money and nor do I know how much you paid.

The account isn't dodgy. Something happened to have it locked (from my evidence I suspect Sebulase) and you've taken a silly approach to getting it unlocked.

 

Speculation but in the context I don't think it was a lie, I understand Ant is doing his absolute best to get the account back but it's not good enough. No details, updates I have to physically come onto Skype and spam him, it's like he is busy or not interested until I push him to do it.

I gave him 24 hours to find a resolution instead he chooses to ignore me, as soon as this scam report goes up, he starts helping me..


Anthony;
- You made the advert, meaning you was always involved in this deal as a middleman.
- You vouched and said that he was trusted.
- You setup the meeting.
- You have had access to the account and security questions.
- You are the "original" person who obtained the account and bought it to Sythe.



All that went on in this group chat was bitching, both Ty and Ant were scrapping together in order to blame each other, numerous time's was I messaged outside of the group chat with manipulative information in order to sway my decision of whom I may believe...

Ant, I do acknowledge and appreciate you helping me, I honestly do and I don't want you to think I am throwing it back in your face, but come off it dude I spent a lot on the account and put a lot into the account, you have to understand my frustration here...

 

It's Seb that owes you the money in my opinion, Ant will continue to try and recover the locked account but Jagex have stated their suspicions with the multiple recovery requests.

 

Both Seb and Ant are compulsive liars, they told each other one story and me another. Anthony was involved in this deal as much as Seb, and the fact Anthony is selling other accounts under an alias that look's and seem's to be very trustworthy, what's not stopping this from happening again?

It's not like I pulled his name out of a hat and thought "yeah, I going to blame this kit", its quite obvious that theres a reason I am sat here attempting to scrape back anything I can from this account and not actually playing runescape.

Anthony with the greatest respect, you need to man up and sort this, because I know for a fact, as soon as this scammer report get's buried under the carpet, I will never see him again.

 

I'm gonna lock this until Ant's heard back from Jagex. We'll sort this out and come to a conclusion once he gets a reply and we know whether he'll get the account back or not.

Keep me updated, add my Skype Derby - live:r0ary

 

Anthony1994

It has been a while since the original thread was locked due to a pending email from Jagex. Today I can now say that the account is unlocked, although friend's saw the account login day's ago and I know that was just to "cancel" the bank pin. The "owner" logged onto it today, of which I believe to be Anthony in order to empty the account.

You can view the original scam report here;

Now this member is a danger to the community, the fact that he appears to be trusted, portraying himself as a legitimate user however he is not, and I think my evidence clearly show's that.

Now the situation after the first thread was we are waiting for him to receive an email from JaGex, he seem's to think that if a "moderator" log's into his email that will prove that no email has been sent. My response to that is an absolute joke, I think the "delete email" function has been around for years...

I would like to emphasis the fact that Anthony is the original account owner, he told us both that, later down the line his close IRL friend who has not played in years is the original owner, however he is responsible as he is the one who advertised the sale and brought the account to Sythe.

As you can see below, 25/03/2014 4:00AM GMT the account logged in;



Now my friends saw the account login around 2-3 day's ago but that was on RS3, not 07. Here is another screenshot I obtained with the world etc;



Now, this does not fully proove that this is the account, however I am now going to convince you that it is, as you can see here the original account advertisement which you can find by clicking here, that is for reference however I will display you the image however;



The original name was wmsm but I changed it to JaykePC, here you can see me looking up the stat's on Orion highscores which are very similar however a few were changed due to me playing on the account;



I have streamed some gameplay on twitch.tv to backup the name is wmsm, I would be willing to show this if needed.

I have been blocked by Ant, that I am pretty sure about. Here you can see him claiming that he doesn't have control of the account;

 

If he is unable to return the account to you or refund you he will be banned.

 

I'm replying to Derby's latest posts.

He keeps insisting that I told him that I was the original owner even though I told Sebulase, who sold him the account, that I wasn't. What ever Sebulase told Derby about the account is out of my control.

Jagex has stopped replying to my emails after I followed Derby's email approach. They instantly knew something was up when he was getting me, himself and Sebulase to send him emails to Jagex within a day or so. I discussed this with Roary and he told me to email them saying I was hacked. Jagex has stopped replying to me altogether though.

In reply to http://www.sythe.org/13360145-post15.html

How am I suppose to refund him when I was never apart of the trade and hence I don't know how much of what the account sold for?

You're saying in one post that I blocked you? No? I have been busy but I've replied to all your PM's within 24 hours and most of the time within a few hours.

If anyone can think of a way to prove that I'm not on the account, please let me know and I'll do so.

 

I think you're liable in this situation. While it was not intentional in this specific case this could easily be abused. What if scenario here: "I'm advertising account for a friend off site." Direct you too my friend, actually myself who recovers the account post trade and then claims no liability because I was not the owner. You advertised it you're associated. Just my opinion open to other staffs comments.

 

This is exactly what I am saying mate, you are associated, you posted up the advert and most important you advertised you was the original owner. Account get's reversed, I loose upwards of 150m including the cost of the account and you get off scott free.

The only fucking people who could of recovered this account are You and this IRL friend you claim it was obtained from.

Give me the account, or get off this site, your a risk to every single legitimate member, because you appear to be trusted but your actually not. Mark my words mate, it's not worth doing this, believe me.

 

re: http://www.sythe.org/13362246-post18.html

If I have to pay the account back, you're basically establishing precedent whereby if anyone sells an account, and if anything goes wrong down the track, the original seller must refund the latest purchaser. This is pretty dumb because trusted people may sell an account and provide the recovery info, only to have a scammer buy it, recover it, and have the trusted person at fault.

re: http://www.sythe.org/13362283-post19.html

The guy who sold it to you could have easily recovered it. I even have evidence of his intentions when he impersonated you looking for more account info.

If I had the account, I'd give it to you, but truth is I don't have it. You've also screwed up any chance of getting it back by email recovery with the stupid way you approached that.