About the 4th time I get banned by skele_master for something I have never done!!

•State your Sythe name: hitman_200

•State why you were banned: Scamming http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=878494

•State the moderator who banned you (if known): skele_master


•Additional information goes here and in subsequent bullet points:
•well Simply I was MMing for these two:
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2258/screenhunter04jul221644.gif

You can find that in my thread
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=847594
Page 20 at the bottom.

I got the account information from the seller, went there and verified everything that the buyer asked for and then I changed the password so I can hold the account.

After that I got to the buyer, he gave me the information to his pre-paid credit card, I got on the site to check the balance and saw it was used before on PayPal, he said it didn't and I then showed him Screen shot of the page then he was like yea but it wasn't activated, I was like okay no problems. (also you see in the picture he porvided from the site, he hided the paypal transaction which was made way before we even started the trade!)
Ofcource I can't ask the buyer to give me his Login information to his paypal so in the conversation between us three we said I will apply it Via Team-viewer on the seller's account, and Ofcource as I thought the pre-paid credit card didn't work because it was used on another Paypal before as I said before.The seller which is Truvio said he will contact nick and sell it or whatever then he will send the money to the seller, I was like okay just message me when you are ready, and ofcource I gave the password back to the buyer because the deal was off.

The next day he came to me and say I scammed his card because I'm the only one who had its information, but ofcource thats not true because I warned him yesterday before I even apply the card Via team viewer to the buyer and said it was used before on PayPal, but he just went and reported me.

He also at the bottom of the thread Added I went to wallmart, This status I put it just today from like 15-20 minutes ago and I Just went to wallmart to buy some stuff for my family, I mean this wasn't yesterday and I could of never used it when I went to wallmart because I didn't even have the card.

I had no attentions of scamming him, I MMd Many trades alot more worth than his card and I know you guys heard that before from many people, but its really the truth.

I'm sorry I can't Provide you guys with any pictures as evidence because All i have is chat logs and for sure I know you guys don't accept them.
Sorry again about that, didn't think it was going to trun out that way, thats why i didn't take Pictures of the actual conversation.


If you guys still think I scammed that guy's card, please tell me if you were in my place what would have you done to get unbanned or at least proof that its not a lie. If i can do it, I will do my best to provide any other proof you guys see will help.
Sorry again for all this.
Thanks for reading.

 

It's highly suspicious and somewhat irresponsible for you as an MM to have given the buyer the card details but not give the seller the account because the buyer couldn't apply it on his Paypal account. I think you should be responsible for the amount lost as the person who was supposed to buy the card received the card details and could've used it.

 

You're responsible for the card. Pay back the guy $40(the price he was going to sell the Visa for) if you wish to be unbanned. Thanks.

 

I didn't give the buyer the account details because I was suspicious about
that credit-card details because I could of only just checked its balance
and gave it to the seller and he can go do whatever he wants with it, but
as Being professional middleman I had to apply it to make sure that
everything works, Also in the begging of the conversation the seller
requested that the card be applied throu team viewer on his computer.
If the buyer had any probelms with that he could of just replied
about it from the begging but he didn't.

Also in the second part, I don't see that I should be responsible for the
amount lost because i have warned the buyer before i apply the card
and said it was being used on another paypal but he just said no then after
i got him screenshot, he said yeah but its not activated.
Also in the second hand like I said at the top, in the start of the
conversation, the seller requested that the card be applied on his paypal
throu team viewer and the buyer didn't say anything about it.So that
makes me not responsible for what happens or the money being lost.

Also after thinking about it, Ask the buyer why have he hidden that
transaction page in his report with black and only showed the part where its been used
at wallmart only, simply because he's afraid to show that its been used
on another paypal way before we even started the trade and i think thats
enough evidence to proof what I'm saying.

Thanks for reading, and again I'm really sorry for not having that
many evidence.

 

When you went to apply the card on the buyers Paypal through teamviewer, the buyer gained access to the card and there's a chance that he used it. You are respsonsible for the card and will have to pay for what is lost.

 

Its not about the money, I can pay him double that money but is it really fair if i do that, I mean i warned him that the card was used before on paypal and here is the picture that shows that

I need to replace that link in the second line
with this
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/1979/screenhunter05jul222013.gif

^ that link ^

Also Imagine you was in my place and you were requested to apply it via teamviewer, I mean the account was alright and the seller was okay but when it comes to the buyer his prepaid credit card was suspecias and I cant just of asked the buyer to give me his paypal information because that would be insane..so I Followed like the buyer said that there will be no problems with the card and if that was true, I would of given the account information to the buyer and everything worked as planned!

Please look at my side of explaining things not just from the seller's side because he lost his 40$, This is really unfair, If any of you Mods were asked to do this you would of done exactly the same thing because there is no way arround it, its the only way that can be done and thats what I did.

 

What you should have done is tell the buyer that you have verified the card amount and that after he gives it to him, it's his responsibility. You can't just try to apply it on his account and then back off on the trade.

 

From the begging of our conversation I was requested from the seller to Apply the card via team viewer, i didn't want to just do it for fun or just to waste my valuable time, and i wasn't the one that backed off the trade but it was the buyer because the card didn't work on paypal because obviously it was used on another paypal.
Also WoW i can't believe you just let this slide..
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/1...5jul222013.gif
This picture, doesn't it provide you with enough evidence that this is just a way to make me fall into this..In his report why do you think he filled the second transaction with black..its abvious because he's afraid to show that it was from paypal and if you look at the date, it was way before we even statrted the trade!


lets just put this in an example!
1.You're the MM, I'm the seller and Other guy is the buyer.
2.You got both our information now. From the begging in the conversation i requested that the card information be applied via team viewer on my computer to make sure that everything works and the buyer agreed to that.
Were you going to say no when both parties agreed to that ? ofcource not!

If you ask anyone who I ever MMd for before, they will tell you how I always get the best secure way to protect the seller/buyer.
But ofcoruce I did it that way because I was requested to and both parties agreed to that, i mean what else do you want other than both of the parties agreeing on me applying the card via team viewer!

Skele look I really won't give it anymore trys to protect and proof myself that I didn't scam him,but if this is what you see is right and the only way is that I have to refund him I will do it no Problem, But just always remember this is being not fair and for you as being a staff this is really unfair from you to let this slide like this!!
Thanks!

 

I know the buyer backed out of the trade, but the buyer already received the account details when you went to apply it via Teamviewer. Therefore, there's a high chance the buyer used the card. I'm not exactly accusing you of scamming, but because of your mistake as an MM, you are responsible for the amount of the card.

 

Skele why can't you understand this, Both the buyer and the seller agreed on me applying the card via team viewer to the seller and now I be responsible for it, I mean wow, what did I do wrong? Follow what the seller and the buyer agreed and asked for?

This is really unfair man..I have done many trades before and I always look after the safety for both buyers/sellers, This one I only did it that way because i was requested to and both the seller/buyer agreed on it..
I wish you can just accept the chat logs....Im really mad that i didn't take pictures of the actual conversation..didn't think it will end like this!

 

I'm not really accusing you, but it is your mistake. You should have told the buyer that after he applies the card on his computer, that it will be his (unless of course, the card had no balance). You are responsible for the amount.

 

I agree with Skele, when you decide to MM you are accepting responsibility for when the trade goes wrong. Buyers / sellers backing out is not an excuse. If you want people to put their trust in you and eventually get paid for it, you should be held accountable.